[MR] Event fees for WOW

[Steve Lackey]

Well, perhaps I took it wrong, but it it bothered me, as in a "last
straw" kind of thing. I probably could have been a more explanatory in
my comments. I've had a lot of fun at WoW's in the past, and hope to
again in the future. I can only speak for myself here, and I'm
certainly no authority, but here are my thoughts.

--

My philosophy is that any event that nets a group more than $500.00 in
"profit" (defined simply as moneys left over after all event related
expenses have been paid) for a group is obscene in todays economy, and
is not providing a service to the membership at large. I have not
asked, and I don't want to know what the "profit" is projected to be
for WoW. It's not really any of my business. I completely understand
wanting to be financially responsible and provide "fun". It's a little
different for a Kingdom event where half the profits have to be sent
to the Kingdom. Those events I can see making a bit more because it
helps the Kingdom overall as well as the sponsoring group.

On the other hand, I know what it will cost me to go, and these days
an event has to be really worth the money. I can't afford to be
padding anybody else's budget (If I could it would be my own
Barony's!). If an event doesn't provide enough value for it's site
fee, it has to be pretty close (thus having less in travel fees), or
have enough friends there, or offer specific fighting that I want to
participate in (thus making up with "fun" time)  to make up for the
lack of value the site provides. I'm sure that I am not alone in this
type of reasoning.

The $5.00 penalty for paying at the gate is to my mind, excessive. I
understand the desire to get as many pre-registrations as possible. As
an autocrat, it is one of the issues that weighs on my mind when I'm
running an event such as the upcoming Kings Assessment (Shameless plug
- $7.00 site fee for the weekend, on a nicer site). On the other hand
at this event, pre-registration is required for land allotment as
well. So if I don't pre-register, I get penalized twice - once at the
gate, and once more in camp if there is not enough room to fit me in
somewhere in their allotment. I could be overly sensitive to it, but
it feels a little bit like getting my arm twisted, and I don't like
that one bit. It's not as if land is at a premium on this site after
all.

Finally, I've not seen the way "Victory" will be determined yet this
year. If it's not absolutely clear, and based on at least 60% of the
points being won on the field then it will seriously lower the
enjoyment factor for me. Yes, a great deal of the fun is in the
fighting for it's own sake - but it's nice to "win" as well.

~Estienne


On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 2:39 PM, logan <logan at ebonwoulfe.com> wrote:
> well in all fairness no one person represents an event estienne and i dont
> think war of the wings, as an event, projects anything but a fun time with
> lots of friends old and new.  please lets not let one person, with an
> obvious objective and chip, start a whole negative series of follow ups.
> was the comment offensive?  sure, it was meant to be and thats fine.  meadbh
> has a beef with me, im not aware of what it is but i can guess, and she took
> a jab.  its not a big deal and it had zero effect.  she felt some need to
> champion something that was never attacked and her passion lead her to
> attack.  that has nothing to do with war of the wings or anyone associated
> with the event or not.  it only has to do with her and her issue(s).  she
> expressed her opinion, she doesnt make the rules and her opinion carries as
> much weight as each person gives it.  to some that might be a lot, to others
> it might be nothing.  its just her opinion.
>
> the event steward has explained some of the justification for the increase
> in the event fee.  while i dont personally agree with it i can certainly
> understand her (and im sure others that were part of the decision making
> process) intentions.  clearly she feels she is doing the best thing for the
> circumstances and clearly isnt acting in any malicious way.  im sure that
> the event will go well, folks will have great times, there will be failures
> which allow learning and improvement.  this is true for pretty much every
> event held in our society.  i think we all support her and her staff and im
> sure we all want to see war of the wings continue to grow and improve and
> serve the people of atlantia and the sca.  my comment that apparently got
> two people all ruffled up was one that i know a lot of folks shared (trust
> me i have the emails) at the time and i think those of us that were
> concerned about the increases better understand the reasoning behind it.
> again, my opinion hasnt changed but i am now better educated as to the whys
> behind it.
>
> as far as event pricing goes i think that all of us, regardless of where we
> happen to live, have to consider the impact those fees have on us and what
> the payoff will be for attending an event.  this is normal and this is part
> of what goes into our decision making process for planning which events we
> attend.  discussing these things, how we feel, and what all is involved is
> an opportunity for folks to learn and share.  nothing wrong with that.
>
> regards
> logan
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Steve
> Lackey
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:54 PM
> To: Melinda Kirby
> Cc: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [MR] Event fees for WOW
>
> With a response like that, I'm sure that I can find better things to
> do with my time as well. Granted, I'm not important, and whether I
> show up or not will affect attendance by exactly 1 person - but I find
> to hard to support an event represented by such an offensive attitude.
>
> --
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>
> Estienne de Condé
> Argent, three falcons vert
> Supremus totus, Muneris
> ---------------
> MKA Steve Lackey
>
> The truth is that there is nothing noble in being superior to somebody
> else. The only real nobility is in being superior to your former self.
> -  Whitney Young (1921 - 1971)
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Melinda Kirby <theoilmaven at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> If you think the event fee is excessive- dont come. If you arent in the
> kingdom.....dont comment. Im sure you have better things to do with your
> time.
>> Regards,
>> Meadbh
>>
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In Service,

Estienne de Condé
Argent, three falcons vert
Supremus totus, Muneris
---------------
MKA Steve Lackey

The truth is that there is nothing noble in being superior to somebody
else. The only real nobility is in being superior to your former self.
-  Whitney Young (1921 - 1971)