[MR] What's up with Combat Archers & Atlantia?

Tue Jun 23 17:00:17 PDT 2009

You are right. I let my anger get the better of me and I made assumptions and implications that I shouldn’t have. For that I apologize. I do not believe that there is a conspiracy, or organized effort, by the chivalry or heavy fighters of Atlantia to do away with Combat Archery. But, I do believe that there are a number of individuals that would love to see it happen. Having been a heavy fighter for over 25 years, I can understand where they are coming from. It stinks to get killed by someone you can’t strike back at. 

As far as “keeping the Combat Archers numbers down,” I see it more as an effect then a goal. And, it’s more economics, then us just not liking the rulings. We spent a good deal of money to get our crossbows and bolts. If they get banned, we’ll have to buy all new gear, and I’m not sure how many of us can afford that.

And again, you are right that I should get all the facts before coming to a conclusion. Is there a Forum where this is discussed? I’ve spent the last couple of days trying to find a webpage or Forum that would tell me what was going on without any luck. That’s when I turned to this list. I know there are several of us that would be happy to help work out some of these issues, but we don’t know how to get involved in it. That’s part of the frustration!

Once again, I apologize for the implications and assumptions I made. I’ll try to do better next time! 

Wolfram

> From: logan at ebonwoulfe.com
> To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:19:47 -0400
> Subject: Re: [MR] What's up with Combat Archers & Atlantia?
> 
> i will leave this to the earl marshal to address.
> 
> however, i would like to point out that you make a lot of assumptions that
> are incorrect. the atlantian chivalry have not discussed pushing any
> changes to the way combat archery is done since ive been a knight. the
> fighting community, at least in my circles, has not done so either. you
> also make an assumption that any change to combat archery that the combat
> archers dont like is a conspiracy to try and "keep their numbers down". ive
> never seen anyone attempt that on a societal level within the chivalry and
> certainly not on an atlantian level. i would recommend asking for
> clarification to something overheard and saving judgment time for after
> compiling all the facts. there are a lot of valid arguments against combat
> archery the way it is handled in the sca currently and a very active push to
> correct the many issues or simply ban it. atlantia, as a kingdom, is silent
> on these issues although there are a number of us fighters that are, and
> have been, actively involved in trying to solve the problems. but, those
> are individuals within the fighting community working to correct issues and
> find compromises, not something "atlantia" is doing. i personally cant
> recall any discussions about tube arrows in a very long time so i am unable
> to comment on the rumor you heard.
> 
> regards
> logan
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Richard E
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 4:11 PM
> To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: [MR] What's up with Combat Archers & Atlantia?
> 
> 
> Why do Atlantians dislike combat archery so much? After Pennsic last year, I
> had thought that Atlantia was starting to see the value of CA. But, I heard
> this weekend that Atlantia will be banning tube (siloflex) ammo after
> Pennsic this year. I hope that I just misunderstood what was being said,
> because that will cause a lot of people to quit doing Combat Archery. I know
> my friends and I have almost $600 invested in tube bolts and over $1200 in
> crossbows designed to shoot them! This gear isn't cheep! I don't know how
> Atlantia can expect people to loose that kind of investment and keep
> playing! 
> 
> I honestly can't see why Atlantia would have a problem with tube ammo
> anyway. Heavy bows/crossbows and tube ammo has been deemed safe at the
> Society level as well as in numerous other kingdoms. An Atlantian swung
> sword will hit with a lot more mass and force then any bolt or arrow ever
> will! So why is the Atlantian Chivalry/heavy fighters trying to keep the CA
> numbers down? Remember, bows/crossbows are weapons of war. In most cases,
> they are going to be used against our enemies in support of our own troops.
> Keeping the Combat Archer numbers down is only going to hurt Atlantia and
> help our rivals. They are working on build up their CA numbers, so don't you
> think it would be wise for us to do the same? Not make it harder and drive
> combat archers away! 
> 
> If someone could explain what is going on, and why, I would greatly
> appreciate it! Also, is there a Forum where this stuff is discussed? If we
> could see and take part in the discussions, we wouldn't feel so blindsided
> when the rules get changed.
> 
> Wolfram Brant
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