[MR] 4th Peerage

Fri Feb 20 11:34:23 PST 2009

I would disagree with this, in that it was several of those Provosts and fencers who first welcomed me to the SCA, and it was the fencers who first got me interested in playing at all, (even though I haven't picked up an epee since I found out how much mess I can make with a pen.)

It was Lord Olivier de Bayonne (Olsk then), who spoke to me first when I wandered by an SCA practice, and made me feel like I could play too.  He put me in armor and let me wave a piece of metal at him.   So I went to the local meeting because that was fun.

It was Lord Vyvyan who spent an hour with me at my first Ymir teaching me how to stick the pointy end at the other person.

It was Baron Gaston and Baroness Rosalind who taught me at practices in Elvegast, as well as Lord Percy, and Mistress Kate.

The fencing community at large has such amazing garb and wonderful appearance that it always makes me pause and stare wistfully when Mistress Belphoebe, Mistress Kate, or Lord Percy go wandering by.  

This is not even acknowledging the very large number of fencers, and provosts who I consider good friends, and would mourn the absence of.

You might not think you would be missed, but you would be, at least by me.   If it hadn't been for the fencing community stepping up to welcome me and say hello, I wouldn't be here now.    For whatever that's worth.  :)

Lady Livia Zanna,

Dean of the Pages Academy,

Pursuivant Extraordinaire (Didn't know that, Mistress Rhi, did ya!)

Companion of the Pearl

Combat archer and authorized Heavy Fighter

Apprentice to the long-suffering Maestra Lucia.

> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:22:02 -0800
> From: scacynwrig at yahoo.com
> To: jenthies at gmail.com; thorgrimm at windstream.net
> CC: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [MR] 4th Peerage
> 
> 
> Onto Atlantia, greetings.
> 
> It is my belief that the peers of the realm are to be the pillars of the SCA.  If I am wrong, please correct me.
> 
> But in that vein:
> 
> If tomorrow the Knights were gone, if the sun shone down and found no armour to shine on, if no war drums sounded, if the list fields stood empty, the SCA would be forever changed.
> 
> If tomorrow the Pelicans were gone, if the kitchens were empty, the mundane and annoying details left untended, if no one stepped up and did the work necessary for us all to enjoy the day, the SCA would be forever changed.
> 
> If tomorrow the Laurels were gone, if the glory of ancient art were not advertised, if keen eye and steady hand did not create new beauty from old ways, if no one stepped forward to teach us, to gift us and to remind us that we are looking to the past, the SCA would be forever changed.
> 
> If tomorrow I and my fellow Provosts laid down our blades and picked up the shield, the ladel or the pen, the SCA would not be much changed.  That is why it is my joy to be a Companion of the White Scarf, but I know I still have work to do to become a pillar.
> 
> These words are my own.
> 
> Lord Kynnyth Pyke
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jen Thies <jenthies at gmail.com>
> To: Hrothgar <thorgrimm at windstream.net>
> Cc: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:06:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [MR] 4th Peerage
> 
> It should be noted that our current Earl Marshal and his three most recent
> predecessors have fought both Rapier and Armoured Combat. Two have been
> Knights, Three have been White Scarves, with Sir Roland being both. From my
> off-field observations, both activities require strength, skill, and
> training to excel at.
> 
> That being said, I'm not a fan of a "Fourth" catch-all Peerage.
> I'd also like to point out that there is already a 4th Peerage, our Royal
> Peers.
> 
> All that being said, bless your heart Hrothgar, don't ever change. :) It was
> good to see you at Ymir.
> 
> Mistress Genevieve d'Aquitaine
> 
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Hrothgar <thorgrimm at windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> >
> > >  Everyone should be able to aspire to a
> > > Peerage someday if that's their wish; to impose limits on a group based
> > > solely on their choice of fighting (heavy vs. rapier) in unfair.
> > > Gina MacNeill
> > > AKA Lady Rhiannon of Berra, CP
> >
> > This issue seems to come up every couple of years. I agree completely with
> > Lady Rhiannon that everyone should aspire to a Peerage. It is truly the
> > epitome of all that we do. However, the misplaced idea that new peerages
> > should be created for each subgroup in the Society is ridiculous.
> >
> > If one wishes to become a Knight, then one can follow that path. The same
> > holds true for Laurel and Pelican. If someone chooses to go in another
> > direction, then that is their decision and they should be happy with that
> > choice. They should not feel "cheated" that whatever their microcosm of
> > interest is not recognized as a peerage worthy pursuit.
> >
> > Rapier was only allowed in the SCA as an peripheral activity to begin with.
> > Atlantia buying into Ansteorra's White Scarf idea was just an end run
> > around
> > the BOD's decision on the matter. People choose rapier because it's easier
> > than fighting. The learning curves are vastly different. To view them as
> > equal on any level is just wrong. I have no real issue with fencing. If a
> > person is unable physically, emotionally, or financially to participate as
> > a
> > fighter but want to get a small taste of what it's like to be on the field,
> > then rapier is a fine and wonderful thing. But it shouldn't be considered a
> > peerage level pursuit.
> >
> > Sitting astride a rocking horse brandishing a radio antenna about in a
> > menacing manner does not equate to a Knight on a warhorse charging into
> > battle.
> >
> > Ever Opinionated,
> > Hrothgar
> >
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