[MR] Permanent Crown event site
logan
logan at ebonwoulfe.com
Mon Apr 13 21:38:55 PDT 2009
and not ignoring legitimate questions asked when one raises concerns is also
important. you stated a concern about crazed autocrats running roughshod
over local site owners to which i responded with a question you have yet to
answer. so, i pose it again in hopes that you will educate me about your
concerns. so perhaps you will take a moment to help me understand. you
seem to take exception over people questioning those who voice concerns over
hypothetical questions posed in the fashion of chicken little and the sky.
i can understand that. however, when a hypothetical situation is posted
without any supporting facts its acceptable for people to call it to task
and demand some level of support or withdrawal. in that vein i have copied
the question here:
-----Original Message-----
From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of logan
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 6:37 PM
To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [MR] outside autocrats
i didnt realize that such a problem existed. how often has this happened
rebecca?
logan
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-----Original Message-----
From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Becky
McEllistrem
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:28 AM
To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
Subject: [MR] outside autocrats
I'm not digging my heels in but I do have questions.
Say an outside autocrat comes into a local group and uses the local group's
site. The outside autocrat chooses this time to be a tyrant (because that
never happens) and is rude and hateful to the site owner. The site owner
decides after a weekend of a jerk that they're completely fed up with SCA,
cancel contracts and kicks SCA off site forever. Now the local group has
lost a site after carefully cultivating a relationship for a long time. Yes
one incident CAN lose a site.
How is the local group compensated for the loss of the site? The only way I
can see to avoid this problem is to have a local group as at least a deputy
autocrat at all times. That way the local relationship is still protected.
If an outside autocrat fails in a large or medium way, it's still the local
group's mess to clean up late Sunday or Monday anyway.
Rebecca
-----Original Message-----
From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Becky
McEllistrem
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:12 PM
To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [MR] Permenant Crown event site
Discussions do much better when we're not mocking each other.
And it's a very serious concern that doesn't go away because we deny its
existence.
I'm surprised we're so flippant about concerns towards each others' sites
while talking about how difficult it is to find sites. There's something
hypocritical about that.
A society of courtesy is not just about courtesy to royals. A society of
courtesy is also about courtesy to each other.
Rebecca
--- On Mon, 4/13/09, Adeliza of Bristol <adeliza at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> From: Adeliza of Bristol <adeliza at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [MR] Permenant Crown event site
> To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 9:05 PM
> Were this a discussion about a
> hypothetical situation or trying to pin down all the
> Kingdom's events, you may have a point. But it isn't. This
> is specifically a discussion about Crown Tourney being tied
> down to BJ Penn. What may or may not happen with other
> events, groups and sites need not be considered at this
> time.
>
> The person currently with the best working relationship
> with BJ Penn does not live in the group the site is located
> in. So, requiring the local group to get involved and cough
> up a contact person to effectively replace the perfectly
> excellent contact person in place makes no sense at all, and
> might actually be a bigger danger to loosing the site than
> simply letting things be. Now, if this is going to stress
> the local group, it should have been illustrated last
> weekend. Black Diamond came down and ran the event. Did it
> cause excessive or unnecessary stress on the local group?
> THAT is what we need to hear.
>
> Making the assuption that the group who lives where the
> site is will always be the best contact is not logical.
> King's Mountain is in Nottinghill Coill, but Sacred Stone
> used the site constantly for years and had an incredible
> working relationship with them (I actually knew one Ranger
> on a first name basis). The inability to get a date on their
> calendar is the only reason it stopped being used so often,
> to my knowledge. Should Nottinghill have been forced to come
> up with a single contact person and everyone made to rely on
> them? Why?
>
> It may cause stress, it may add a level of difficulty,
> frogs may rain down on us from the heavens too. I believe
> this last weekend will best show us how things will be and
> won't be, and what problems need to be addressed first. It
> makes far more sense to look back and see what the facts are
> than try to predict the future and avoid every single
> possible flaw.
>
> Anyone from either Black Diamond or Windmasters care to
> tell us all what kind of strain it put on them? How did it
> effect things that the primary contact person lives in
> Sacred Stone? What do those specifically involved in this
> event site and its location feel might be problematic. This
> is information I would find more useful than guessing at
> road blocks.
>
> Adeliza
>
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:29:53 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Becky McEllistrem
> > Subject: Re: [MR] Permenant Crown event site
> > To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
>
> > Message-ID: <927256.67668.qm at web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> >
> >
> > > The welfare of the Kingdom needs to have some
> priority
> > > here. Yes, it is important to keep the groups and
>
> > > individuals in mind, but throwing the baby out
> with the
> > > bathwater makes no sense.
> >
> > Nobody's saying throw the baby out with the bathwater
> hon. We're saying it is
> > just common sense that more stress is going to happen
> to the local group whether
> > that's the plan or not and pretending it doesn't won't
> make the issue go away.
> > There should be a local contact on staff since it does
> ultimately fall onto the
> > locals to clean up anything left after the rest of the
> kingdom has returned
> > home.
> >
> > When I was thinking about putting in an event bid in a
> group I'd just moved to
> > the first thing I did was go to a business meeting and
> ask the group for advice
> > about the site. It saved a ton of time and there was
> almost no "what about
> > us?!!" comments. It was all useful information not
> commonly known about the
> > site.
> >
> >
> >
> > Rebecca
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:51:18 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Debbie Halstead
> > Subject: Re: [MR] and now the business stuff starts
> > To: Merry Rose
> > Message-ID: <442063.74089.qm at web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > > Molly: is there some reason that Atlantia cannot
> pay a portion of
> > >the site fee for a Kingdom level event?
> >
> > >Corwyn: As I recollect Kingdom CAN "sponsor" or
> front a local group hosting
> > >the event per policy (been a while since I read
> it, but that's how
> > >it was when I was KingdomSeneschal).
> >
> > I remember that being talked about in an Unevent
> Senschal's meeting back when
> > you were Kingdom Seneschal, but there is no trace of
> it that I can find in
> > current Financial Policy. (Also, I asked about it not
> too long ago before I took
> > over as DKEB and got looked at like I was nuts....)
> >
> > Debora
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > THL Debora Aurifex
> > Isenfir MOL & Deputy MOAS
> > Royal Baker
> > Kingdom Event Bid Coordinator
> >
> >
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