[MR] Permenant Crown event site

[Becky McEllistrem]

Discussions do much better when we're not mocking each other.

And it's a very serious concern that doesn't go away because we deny its existence.

I'm surprised we're so flippant about concerns towards each others' sites while talking about how difficult it is to find sites.  There's something hypocritical about that.

A society of courtesy is not just about courtesy to royals.  A society of courtesy is also about courtesy to each other.

Rebecca

--- On Mon, 4/13/09, Adeliza of Bristol <adeliza at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> From: Adeliza of Bristol <adeliza at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [MR] Permenant Crown event site
> To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 9:05 PM
> Were this a discussion about a
> hypothetical situation or trying to pin down all the
> Kingdom's events, you may have a point. But it isn't. This
> is specifically a discussion about Crown Tourney being tied
> down to BJ Penn. What may or may not happen with other
> events, groups and sites need not be considered at this
> time. 
> 
> The person currently with the best working relationship
> with BJ Penn does not live in the group the site is located
> in. So, requiring the local group to get involved and cough
> up a contact person to effectively replace the perfectly
> excellent contact person in place makes no sense at all, and
> might actually be a bigger danger to loosing the site than
> simply letting things be. Now, if this is going to stress
> the local group, it should have been illustrated last
> weekend. Black Diamond came down and ran the event. Did it
> cause excessive or unnecessary stress on the local group?
> THAT is what we need to hear.
> 
> Making the assuption that the group who lives where the
> site is will always be the best contact is not logical.
> King's Mountain is in Nottinghill Coill, but Sacred Stone
> used the site constantly for years and had an incredible
> working relationship with them (I actually knew one Ranger
> on a first name basis). The inability to get a date on their
> calendar is the only reason it stopped being used so often,
> to my knowledge. Should Nottinghill have been forced to come
> up with a single contact person and everyone made to rely on
> them? Why?
> 
> It may cause stress, it may add a level of difficulty,
> frogs may rain down on us from the heavens too. I believe
> this last weekend will best show us how things will be and
> won't be, and what problems need to be addressed first. It
> makes far more sense to look back and see what the facts are
> than try to predict the future and avoid every single
> possible flaw.
> 
> Anyone from either Black Diamond or Windmasters care to
> tell us all what kind of strain it put on them? How did it
> effect things that the primary contact person lives in
> Sacred Stone? What do those specifically involved in this
> event site and its location feel might be problematic. This
> is information I would find more useful than guessing at
> road blocks.
> 
> Adeliza
> 
> > 
> > Message: 6 
> > Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:29:53 -0700 (PDT) 
> > From: Becky McEllistrem 
> > Subject: Re: [MR] Permenant Crown event site 
> > To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> 
> > Message-ID: <927256.67668.qm at web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > The welfare of the Kingdom needs to have some
> priority 
> > > here. Yes, it is important to keep the groups and
> 
> > > individuals in mind, but throwing the baby out
> with the 
> > > bathwater makes no sense. 
> > 
> > Nobody's saying throw the baby out with the bathwater
> hon. We're saying it is 
> > just common sense that more stress is going to happen
> to the local group whether 
> > that's the plan or not and pretending it doesn't won't
> make the issue go away. 
> > There should be a local contact on staff since it does
> ultimately fall onto the 
> > locals to clean up anything left after the rest of the
> kingdom has returned 
> > home. 
> > 
> > When I was thinking about putting in an event bid in a
> group I'd just moved to 
> > the first thing I did was go to a business meeting and
> ask the group for advice 
> > about the site. It saved a ton of time and there was
> almost no "what about 
> > us?!!" comments. It was all useful information not
> commonly known about the 
> > site. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Rebecca 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------ 
> > 
> > Message: 7 
> > Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:51:18 -0700 (PDT) 
> > From: Debbie Halstead 
> > Subject: Re: [MR] and now the business stuff starts 
> > To: Merry Rose 
> > Message-ID: <442063.74089.qm at web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> 
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> > 
> > > Molly: is there some reason that Atlantia cannot
> pay a portion of 
> > >the site fee for a Kingdom level event? 
> > 
> > >Corwyn: As I recollect Kingdom CAN "sponsor" or
> front a local group hosting 
> > >the event per policy (been a while since I read
> it, but that's how 
> > >it was when I was KingdomSeneschal). 
> > 
> > I remember that being talked about in an Unevent
> Senschal's meeting back when 
> > you were Kingdom Seneschal, but there is no trace of
> it that I can find in 
> > current Financial Policy. (Also, I asked about it not
> too long ago before I took 
> > over as DKEB and got looked at like I was nuts....) 
> > 
> > Debora 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > THL Debora Aurifex 
> > Isenfir MOL & Deputy MOAS 
> > Royal Baker 
> > Kingdom Event Bid Coordinator 
> > 
> > 
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