[MR] Teenager abuse at Pennsic

[M'lady Foxy]

 Being a parent means you made a choice to give up what you'd like for that child.If you don't enforce the rules it tells the child its ok to break the rules.If you want to have it your way all week leave the kids home so you can.(sorry pet peeve how kids rule the parents not parents rule child).If the punishment means packing up and leaving site then follow through...


--- On Thu, 8/14/08, Carolle Cox <geritadellamara at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Carolle Cox <geritadellamara at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MR] Teenager abuse at Pennsic
> To: angellfoxx at yahoo.com
> Cc: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 1:14 PM
> Agreed,
> it is up to the parents to supervise the activities of
> their underage
> (however we define it) kids.  Speaking as a parent with two
> now-adult
> offspring, this is not as easy as it sounds, though. If I
> sit down with my
> son to work out his schedule for the day, I must then turn
> into a police
> officer to make certain that he arrives at his arranged
> places and behaves
> himself while he's there.  This means missing out on MY
> fun, and frankly,
> that is a bit difficult for all of us but for some adults
> utterly
> impossible. I've seen more than my share of young teens
> running wild, being
> rude, and generally making  us all wish they'd stayed
> at home.
> 
> Parents need to instill in their kids while they're
> still eligible for
> childrens' activities the skills of courtly manners and
> doing what you say
> you'll be doing.  Everyone's a lot happier when
> this happens.
> 
> I know that making up a whole track of teen-oriented
> classes and activities
> can feel like the most superfluous thing anyone can do. The
> kids form little
> groups, and if the group doesn't want to do something,
> then none of them do
> it, no matter how much work you've put into planning
> something fun for
> them.  Teens are just a really hard audience.
> 
> Honestly, I don't see anything wrong with letting them
> play D&D, as long as
> they're playing it the way some of us did when we were
> young - on our rear
> ends, using only our imaginations and the whims of the
> Dungeonmaster.
> Building creative ability is good, and if we have to do it
> this way, it's
> safe, you know where the kids are, and they're not
> bugging someone with rude
> behaviors.
> 
> Why don't we ask these kids what they'd like to
> see?  No, this will not mean
> that they'll all show up at something they've asked
> for, but it may give us
> something to build on.
> 
> Kids who cannot behave, I have uses for.  They generally
> don't like those
> uses, but I can keep a few of the occupied for several
> hours (haul this,
> carry this to Sir Whatnot, put this file in order.....)
> 
> Gerita
> 
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 2:57 PM, M'lady Foxy
> <angellfoxx at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> >  I think we're missing the main point here.. Its
> the PARENTS responibility
> > to make sure thier kids speak and act with respect no
> matter where they are
> > be it an SCA event or mundane.If your kids aren't
> intreasted in sca events
> > leave them to stay with a friend or family at
> home.What are these children
> > learning by watching video or playing D&D in the
> activitys room (which is
> > what I'd heard it called)?The whole premise of SCA
> is to recreate the time
> > period we play in not roll dice to see if your troll
> kills someones elf...
> > the idea of getting them involed at royal camp is a
> great idea with one flaw
> > .. most teenagers are not the most reliable.I've
> had positive and negitive
> > experiances with teens at war but no more then the
> adults I've been around
> > at war.I seem to remember wars ago there was a teen
> camp ... and result was
> > that too many incidents happened that they never
> repeated the idea to my
> > knowledge.I think that it all comes down to parents
> getting
> >  involved and making real choices on what experiances
> they expect ...and
> > laying clear rules for the teens in thier charge.
> >
> >  Medb Ceitinn
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 8/14/08, mweymark at carolina.rr.com
> <mweymark at carolina.rr.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: mweymark at carolina.rr.com
> <mweymark at carolina.rr.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [MR] Teenager abuse at Pennsic
> > > To: "Cian Conor MacQuaid"
> <Cian at MacQuaid.org>
> > > Cc: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> > > Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 12:05 PM
> > > Actually you are correcct, the implication that
> the kids
> > > likely to cause trouble would not consider
> joining in was
> > > wrong to imply.  However, we do this because it
> is fun for
> > > us.  I do service because well, Im a service
> junky with a
> > > high amount of Helium in my arm blood (a
> condition my laurel
> > > is trying to cure).  I have had the good fortune
> of working
> > > along side some like afflicted teens, and I have
> also heard
> > > teens protest about doing service because it is
> like a
> > > chore.
> > >
> > > I think we (as a communitee) need to come up with
> social
> > > alternatives for our youth to keep their interest
> rather
> > > than finding jobs to keep them busy!  Teen gaming
> is a
> > > wonderful idea. And we could even take it a step
> further and
> > > have it run by older Pages (over 16 crowd). 
> Having the
> > > pages run the games might make being a page a
> little more
> > > appealing as well.  I dunno if we could legally
> do that but
> > > I mean if the teens are hanging out now without
> supervision
> > > wouldnt this be a step up?
> > > --
> > >
> > > Caterine St. Loe
> > > "the Good 'Prentice"
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> > >
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