[MR] On the proposed changes to the manner of selecting polling
koldune
koldune at yahoo.com
Thu Nov 29 09:52:31 PST 2007
Why is this change being proposed?
Darri Kveldulfsson, Abhainn Iarthair
> Howdy!
>
> His Majesty proposes to change kingdom law as it pertains to the
> selection of
> principals of polling orders. The proposed change (before and after)
> as I have
> seen it is:
>
> Current Law
> 8.3.10.1 The Principal shall be chosen, by election, from within the
> order. The Crown shall conduct this election every two years, when
> the
> members of the order petition the Crown for an election, or when the
> Principal resigns from office. Election responses will be sent by
> order members directly to the Crown and shall not be collected
> locally
> in any fashion, nor shall they be forwarded to the Crown via any
> third
> party.
>
> 8.3.10.1.1 Each Principal shall continue in his/her capacity for a
> period of no longer than four years.
>
> Proposed New Law
> 8.3.10.1 The Principal shall be chosen, by the Crown, from within the
> order. The Principal serves at the pleasure of the Crown. The Crown
> shall conduct a polling every two years, or when the Principal
> resigns
> from office. Polling responses will be sent by order members directly
> to the Crown and shall not be collected locally in any fashion, nor
> shall they be forwarded to the Crown via any third party.
>
>
> Personally, I object to this change, and have been in conversation
> with
> His Majesty about this. I'll not bore y'all with the details.
> However, he seems
> to believe that there is only a handful of people who object.
>
> If you are one of those people, please write to their majesties and
> their
> highnesses about this. Be polite. Be civil. But write. If you can, do
> show up
> at Curia to be heard.
>
> yours,
> Herveus
>
> --
> Michael and MJ Houghton | Herveus d'Ormonde and Megan O'Donnelly
> herveus at radix.net | White Wolf and the Phoenix
> Bowie, MD, USA | Tablet and Inkle bands, and other stuff
> | http://whitewolfandphoenix.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:42:05 -0500
> From: "Baroness Rozsa" <bessenyeirozsa at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [MR] On the proposed changes to the manner of selecting
> pollingorder principals...
> To: <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> Message-ID: <00ba01c83207$8715c590$5b499904 at Chuck>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Just as quick note regarding speaking at Curia - only certain people
> are
> able to speak at Curia.
>
> 3.3 Members of the Curia Regis
>
> The members of the Curia are:
>
> 3.3.1 The Crown Prince and Princess of Atlantia.
>
> 3.3.2 Any Atlantian Territorial Princes & Princesses & Their
> Heirs.
>
> 3.3.3 All officers of state.
>
> 3.3.4 All landed Barons and Baronesses.
>
> 3.3.5 All Atlantian group Seneschals.
>
> 3.4 Who Speaks at Curia
>
> Any other person may attend the Curia Regis but may speak only if
> recognized
> by the Crown to do so.
>
> ********************
>
> Just didn't want anyone to show up and get disappointed if they
> aren't able
> to speak.
>
> Baroness Rozsa
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Houghton" <herveus at gmail.com>
> To: <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:29 PM
> Subject: [MR] On the proposed changes to the manner of selecting
> pollingorder principals...
>
>
> > Howdy!
> >
> > His Majesty proposes to change kingdom law as it pertains to the
> selection
> > of
> > principals of polling orders. The proposed change (before and
> after) as I
> > have
> > seen it is:
> >
> > Current Law
> > 8.3.10.1 The Principal shall be chosen, by election, from within
> the
> > order. The Crown shall conduct this election every two years, when
> the
> > members of the order petition the Crown for an election, or when
> the
> > Principal resigns from office. Election responses will be sent by
> > order members directly to the Crown and shall not be collected
> locally
> > in any fashion, nor shall they be forwarded to the Crown via any
> third
> > party.
> >
> > 8.3.10.1.1 Each Principal shall continue in his/her capacity for a
> > period of no longer than four years.
> >
> > Proposed New Law
> > 8.3.10.1 The Principal shall be chosen, by the Crown, from within
> the
> > order. The Principal serves at the pleasure of the Crown. The Crown
> > shall conduct a polling every two years, or when the Principal
> resigns
> > from office. Polling responses will be sent by order members
> directly
> > to the Crown and shall not be collected locally in any fashion, nor
> > shall they be forwarded to the Crown via any third party.
> >
> >
> > Personally, I object to this change, and have been in conversation
> with
> > His Majesty about this. I'll not bore y'all with the details.
> However, he
> > seems
> > to believe that there is only a handful of people who object.
> >
> > If you are one of those people, please write to their majesties and
> their
> > highnesses about this. Be polite. Be civil. But write. If you can,
> do show
> > up
> > at Curia to be heard.
> >
> > yours,
> > Herveus
> >
> > --
> > Michael and MJ Houghton | Herveus d'Ormonde and Megan O'Donnelly
> > herveus at radix.net | White Wolf and the Phoenix
> > Bowie, MD, USA | Tablet and Inkle bands, and other stuff
> > | http://whitewolfandphoenix.com
> >
>
========================================================================
> > The Merry Rose Tavern at Cheapside
> > List Info: http://merryrose.atlantia.sca.org/
> > Submissions: Atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> > Subscriptions:
> http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/mailman/listinfo/atlantia
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:06:37 -0800 (PST)
> From: Becky McEllistrem <bmcellis at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [MR] On the proposed changes to the manner of selecting
> pollingorder principals...
> To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> Message-ID: <67452.11896.qm at web31814.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> This is correct however often when there is a change that could cause
> controversy the Crown opens the subject up for polite debate. Then
> anyone who raises their hand and is then recognized has a right to
> speak.
>
> It is of course the Crown's choice to decide whether or not to do
> this.
> But most Crowns realize that they need us as much as we need them in
> order to have a successful reign and do generally try to listen.
>
> Based on conversations on other lists I believe there are more than
> "just a handful" concerned about this change. Showing up at curia in
> case the subject is opened for public debate is the right thing to do
> and polite private letters are a good idea too.
>
>
> Rebecca
>
>
> --- On Wed, 11/28/07, Baroness Rozsa <bessenyeirozsa at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Baroness Rozsa <bessenyeirozsa at earthlink.net>
> > Subject: Re: [MR] On the proposed changes to the manner of
> selecting pollingorder principals...
> > To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> > Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2007, 4:42 PM
> > Just as quick note regarding speaking at Curia - only
> > certain people are
> > able to speak at Curia.
> >
> > 3.3 Members of the Curia Regis
> >
> > The members of the Curia are:
> >
> > 3.3.1 The Crown Prince and Princess of Atlantia.
> >
> > 3.3.2 Any Atlantian Territorial Princes &
> > Princesses & Their Heirs.
> >
> > 3.3.3 All officers of state.
> >
> > 3.3.4 All landed Barons and Baronesses.
> >
> > 3.3.5 All Atlantian group Seneschals.
> >
> > 3.4 Who Speaks at Curia
> >
> > Any other person may attend the Curia Regis but may speak
> > only if recognized
> > by the Crown to do so.
> >
> > ********************
> >
> > Just didn't want anyone to show up and get disappointed
> > if they aren't able
> > to speak.
> >
> > Baroness Rozsa
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Houghton"
> > <herveus at gmail.com>
> > To: <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:29 PM
> > Subject: [MR] On the proposed changes to the manner of
> > selecting
> > pollingorder principals...
> >
> >
> > > Howdy!
> > >
> > > His Majesty proposes to change kingdom law as it
> > pertains to the selection
> > > of
> > > principals of polling orders. The proposed change
> > (before and after) as I
> > > have
> > > seen it is:
> > >
> > > Current Law
> > > 8.3.10.1 The Principal shall be chosen, by election,
> > from within the
> > > order. The Crown shall conduct this election every two
> > years, when the
> > > members of the order petition the Crown for an
> > election, or when the
> > > Principal resigns from office. Election responses will
> > be sent by
> > > order members directly to the Crown and shall not be
> > collected locally
> > > in any fashion, nor shall they be forwarded to the
> > Crown via any third
> > > party.
> > >
> > > 8.3.10.1.1 Each Principal shall continue in his/her
> > capacity for a
> > > period of no longer than four years.
> > >
> > > Proposed New Law
> > > 8.3.10.1 The Principal shall be chosen, by the Crown,
> > from within the
> > > order. The Principal serves at the pleasure of the
> > Crown. The Crown
> > > shall conduct a polling every two years, or when the
> > Principal resigns
> > > from office. Polling responses will be sent by order
> > members directly
> > > to the Crown and shall not be collected locally in any
> > fashion, nor
> > > shall they be forwarded to the Crown via any third
> > party.
> > >
> > >
> > > Personally, I object to this change, and have been in
> > conversation with
> > > His Majesty about this. I'll not bore y'all
> > with the details. However, he
> > > seems
> > > to believe that there is only a handful of people who
> > object.
> > >
> > > If you are one of those people, please write to their
> > majesties and their
> > > highnesses about this. Be polite. Be civil. But write.
> > If you can, do show
> > > up
> > > at Curia to be heard.
> > >
> > > yours,
> > > Herveus
> > >
> > > --
> > > Michael and MJ Houghton | Herveus d'Ormonde and
> > Megan O'Donnelly
> > > herveus at radix.net | White Wolf and the Phoenix
> > > Bowie, MD, USA | Tablet and Inkle bands,
> > and other stuff
> > > |
> > http://whitewolfandphoenix.com
> > >
> >
>
========================================================================
> > > The Merry Rose Tavern at Cheapside
> > > List Info: http://merryrose.atlantia.sca.org/
> > > Submissions: Atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> > > Subscriptions:
> > http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/mailman/listinfo/atlantia
> > >
> >
> >
>
========================================================================
> > The Merry Rose Tavern at Cheapside
> > List Info: http://merryrose.atlantia.sca.org/
> > Submissions: Atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> > Subscriptions:
> > http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/mailman/listinfo/atlantia
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:24:29 -0800
> From: "Patrick O'Keefe" <cpokeefe at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MR] On the proposed changes to the manner of selecting
> pollingorder principals...
> Cc: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> Message-ID:
> <6a1b63d90711281724u1a449da4ndd231cf83734d3f7 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I am a tad new at all of this. I realize the following may be
> obvious and
> well known, but: What are the principals of polling orders?
>
> If I read this right, the changes are three-fold:
> - the position to be a crown decided position versus an elected
> position?
> - the crown can call for a new person to fill the position?
> - removes the 4 year maximum?
>
> Bjorn
>
>
> Current Law
> 8.3.10.1 The Principal shall be chosen, by election, from within the
> order.
> The Crown shall conduct this election every two years, when the
> members of
> the order petition the Crown for an election, or when the Principal
> resigns
> from office. Election responses will be sent by order members
> directly to
> the Crown and shall not be collected locally in any fashion, nor
> shall they
> be forwarded to the Crown via any third party.
> > >
> > > 8.3.10.1.1 Each Principal shall continue in his/her
> > capacity for a
> > > period of no longer than four years.
> > >
> > > Proposed New Law
> 8.3.10.1 The Principal shall be chosen, by the Crown, from within the
> order.
> The Principal serves at the pleasure of the Crown. The Crown shall
> conduct a
> polling every two years, or when the Principal resigns from office.
> Polling
> responses will be sent by order members directly to the Crown and
> shall not
> be collected locally in any fashion, nor shall they be forwarded to
> the
> Crown via any third party.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:28:46 -0800 (PST)
> From: Maurice Lane <moelane_1999 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [MR] Yule Revel (Barony of Storvik), January 5, 2008
> To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> Message-ID: <784173.7535.qm at web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Good evening: first post, so I'll undoubtedly make a
> howler or three. I apologize in advance for any of
> them.
>
> Anyway, I'm the new autocrat for Storvik's Yule Revel
> in January. The currently minimal information is
> here:
>
> http://acorn.atlantia.sca.org/event_info.php?event_id=9d2db440
>
> ...with presumably our Most Excellent Full Flyer
> coming up in a few days. Anyway, I'd like to put the
> call out for - well, everybody. Obviously. But I'd
> be happy to see performers of all sorts, especially.
> We're trying to run a bard-friendly event, our dance
> master (Baron Stefan of Cambion) would love to have
> musicians for the dancing, and we're even running a
> riddle contest.
>
> The price is $10 for members, with $2 dollars off for
> bringing a dessert. It's an evening revel with no
> feast (but light fare). Please feel free to contact
> me if you have any further questions.
>
> Moe Lane (Morgan O'Lathlann)
>
> Liber Licentiae Moeticae:
> http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html
>
> Last updated 06/03/03 (this is usually way out of date)
>
>
>
>
____________________________________________________________________________________
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:44:49 -0500
> From: Nancy Kiel <nancy_kiel at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MR] On the proposed changes to the manner of selecting
> polling order principals...
> To: <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> Message-ID: <BAY117-W160950608725E17F3E96E9E0700 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> Out of curiosity, what the rationale for this change?
>
> Nancy Kiel
> nancy_kiel at hotmail.com
> Never tease a weasel!
> This is very good advice.
> For the weasel will not like it
> And teasing isn't nice.
>
> > Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:29:06 -0500
> > From: herveus at gmail.com
> > To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> > Subject: [MR] On the proposed changes to the manner of selecting
> polling order principals...
> >
> > Howdy!
> >
> > His Majesty proposes to change kingdom law as it pertains to the
> selection of
> > principals of polling orders. The proposed change (before and
> after) as I have
> > seen it is:
> >
> > Current Law
> > 8.3.10.1 The Principal shall be chosen, by election, from within
> the
> > order. The Crown shall conduct this election every two years, when
> the
> > members of the order petition the Crown for an election, or when
> the
> > Principal resigns from office. Election responses will be sent by
> > order members directly to the Crown and shall not be collected
> locally
> > in any fashion, nor shall they be forwarded to the Crown via any
> third
> > party.
> >
> > 8.3.10.1.1 Each Principal shall continue in his/her capacity for a
> > period of no longer than four years.
> >
> > Proposed New Law
> > 8.3.10.1 The Principal shall be chosen, by the Crown, from within
> the
> > order. The Principal serves at the pleasure of the Crown. The Crown
> > shall conduct a polling every two years, or when the Principal
> resigns
> > from office. Polling responses will be sent by order members
> directly
> > to the Crown and shall not be collected locally in any fashion, nor
> > shall they be forwarded to the Crown via any third party.
> >
> >
> > Personally, I object to this change, and have been in conversation
> with
> > His Majesty about this. I'll not bore y'all with the details.
> However, he seems
> > to believe that there is only a handful of people who object.
> >
> > If you are one of those people, please write to their majesties and
> their
> > highnesses about this. Be polite. Be civil. But write. If you can,
> do show up
> > at Curia to be heard.
> >
> > yours,
> > Herveus
> >
> > --
> > Michael and MJ Houghton | Herveus d'Ormonde and Megan O'Donnelly
> > herveus at radix.net | White Wolf and the Phoenix
> > Bowie, MD, USA | Tablet and Inkle bands, and other stuff
> > | http://whitewolfandphoenix.com
> >
>
========================================================================
> > The Merry Rose Tavern at Cheapside
> > List Info: http://merryrose.atlantia.sca.org/
> > Submissions: Atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> > Subscriptions:
> http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/mailman/listinfo/atlantia
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live.
>
http://www.windowslive.com/connect.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_newways_112007
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:31:24 -0500
> From: Robyn Becker <reyne_telarius at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [MR] ISO Phillip Bell
> To: Atlantia Mailing list <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> Message-ID: <BAY105-W4CBFE6682132BCC721F92F4700 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Greetings all! I've been trying to get in touch with Phillip via
> email for 2 weeks now, with no success. If anyone could help me get
> in touch with him, or Phillip, if you're reading this, please contact
> me off list at this email address.
>
> It is in reference to garb I'm supposed to be making him for 12th
> Night.
>
> Thanks,
> ReyneA true friend is someone who knows all your faults and habits,
> and loves you anyway.Per chevron purpure and vert, two sheaves of
> arrows and a griffin argent
> _________________________________________________________________
> Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live.
>
http://www.windowslive.com/connect.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_newways_112007
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
========================================================================
> The Merry Rose Tavern at Cheapside
> List Info: http://merryrose.atlantia.sca.org/
> Submissions: Atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> Subscriptions:
> http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/mailman/listinfo/atlantia
>
>
> End of Atlantia Digest, Vol 58, Issue 51
> ****************************************
>
Skal ek rathandi (I shall endure [11th-century Icelandic]).
Per chevron erminois and argent, a chevron azure and in base a serpent nowed gules
The greatest school of magic is life itself; the strongest spell, the one you cast yourself.
____________________________________________________________________________________
Be a better pen pal.
Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/
More information about the Atlantia
mailing list