[MR] 12th night

[E L Wimett]

As has already been noted, the custom of standing is distinctly modern.

Even as late as the 1960's when I was a student in Cambridge and formal hall
always included a toast to the queen, the only person who stood was the
person making the toast (and that was for audibility purposes).  And I was
in a college that at the time was all-female so issues of "role" did not
apply.

Incidentally, it was customary that such toasts were made only after the
last course had been served.  (And in a rather different age in the men's
college often were followed, as was the case in military messes, by the
injunction that it was now permissible to smoke.)

In my early days in the Society, that was usually the case as well, but I
have noticed that in Atlantia the toasts have crawled earlier and earlier in
the feast and sometimes come while the first course is still coming out.

Alisoun
Who as Ambassador from the East to the Middle in the 1980's once made the
toast to the Crown of the Middle five times in a two month period (the
Middle was VERY protocol conscious!)

-----Original Message-----
From: atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Trey and Janine
Sutter
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:27 PM
To: Atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
Subject: [MR] 12th night

I agree that in Court, hearing is a problem sometimes, but when everyone
else in a feast hall stands and raises their glass, one would think that you
would catch on to what was happening....

Kari



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "E L Wimett" <silverdragon at charleston.net>
To: <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [MR] 12th night


> There are some REALLY good practical reasons why this has not happened,
but
> possibly the biggest one is the "open mike" issue.  Sound systems that are
> capable of picking up what the royalty mean to have heard by all those
> present and what those receiving awards say in return have a nasty
tendency
> to pick up a LOT of stuff that you would not wish to have heard by "the
> world".
>
> Sound systems have been proposed for the last 25 years at various large
> events.  (I can remember an offer by someone then living in Atlantia made
> when I was War Herald for Pennsic back in the mid-1980's.)
>
> However, on almost every occasion when this has been tried in a large
venue
> I understand that there has been one or more "open mike" issues that have
> not only "ruined the mood" but also been hurtful to one or more
individuals.
>
> As a result, heralds have worked really hard not only to be audible
> themselves but also to help royalty and others to learn how to project and
> be audible as well.
>
> But you also have to remember that how we select our royalty and skill in
> combat and ability to inspire a lord to excel do NOT guarantee audibility
in
> court!  (Though our current royalty are in fact considerably better than
> most and a good part of the problem this weekend was the nature of the
> acoustics in the various venues for court.)
>
> Alisoun, who has been dealing with court audibility issues for >25 years
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Rick Godby
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 11:18 AM
> To: Kathy Grimes
> Cc: Atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [MR] 12th night
>
> Greetings,
>
> I have been sitting here in the tavern, quietly sipping my mead for a long
> time, but Aminah's reply reminds me of something I have been thinking
about
> for a while:
>
> Forgive me if I am speaking out of turn. Although I have been in the SCA
for
> six or so years, I haven't been really active until this last year, so I
am
> still learning.
>
>  I know how hard we try to create an atmosphere of authenticity at events
> with our garb and related accessories, but I wish that at court we could
> have a microphone/PA system of some sort. I can't tell you how many courts
> I've sat through with only a vague idea of what was said. I hear laughter,
> but don't know what the joke was. I think this could be done without being
> too obtrusive (using wireless mikes for the royals and herald) and it
would
> add to everyones enjoyment of the proceedings. I think people in the back
> would be less inclined to talk if they could hear what was happening.
>
> I don't know if this has been done in any other kingdoms, and I may be
> speaking blasphemy, but I only mention it as a suggestion for all of us to
> have a better experience in service to the dream.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Richard the Bear
> Canton of Salesberie Glen
> Barony of Sacred Stone
>
>
> On 1/15/07, Kathy Grimes <kathygrimes at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have a theory on this.
> >
> > Alot of the people in the back of the room couldn't hear. I have never
> > gone to an event and had such a good time but have encountered so many
> > rude people in the middle of court. Hey if you don't want to go to court
> > don't. If you're in court SHUT UP. I actually had to shush people. I
> > didn't get to hear the one thing I really really wanted to hear because
> > of this person. To the rest of the people standing around that offered
> > to let me stand in front of them. THANK YOU!
> >
> > Aminah
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org
> > > [mailto:atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Trey
> > > and Janine Sutter
> > > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 10:29 AM
> > > To: Atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> > > Subject: [MR] 12th night
> > >
> > >
> > > Greetings!
> > >
> > > I would like to say that 12th night was a wonderful event and
> > > VERY well done.
> > >
> > > One thing that surprised me:  during the toasts to Their
> > > Majesties, Highnesses, etc, there were ALOT of people in the
> > > back of the room that remained seated...
> >
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