[MR] raising and lowering expectations

Fri May 31 11:28:26 PDT 2002

Not everyone can afford "period" chairs and period tents.  Some do the best they can with what they have.  Should they be excluded because they don't have the resources to either make or buy "period" stuff?  

No, the nylong chairs don't look period, but by the same token, and speaking only for myself... I'm a large woman.  We made one set of "period" chairs and they broke the first time we used them.  I've yet to find a "period" chair that will hold my weight (and it's NOT a two-piece viking chair).  Nylon isn't period, but it does keep my butt from hitting the ground, which is preferable to being snickered at during Coronation because my "period" chair broke at an inopportune moment, sending a screw into my back giving me back spasms for the rest of Coronation.  

If a land pimple is all someone has, they should be just as welcome as someone who's spent the money or the time to craft a pavilion.  

We all do the best we can, or at least that's what I was told most people in the SCA thought when they see jeans, original containers and nylon.  You are expected to make a REASONABLE attempt at "periodness" who is to say what reasonable is?

For me, personally, function is better than form.  

To exclude on the basis of non-period style is to 
perhaps exclude some of the very people that make Atlantia what she is.

Just my two cents, and they're probably not worth that much.  Had the attitude of "Period only" been pervasive four years ago, I doubt my lord and I would still be here serving Atlantia.

Rhiannon of Berra

On Fri, 31 May 2002 13:34:56 -0400 Logan <dukelogan at directvinternet.com> wrote:

how far should we stretch those limits then?  if we find orange and green
hillary tents to be acceptable whats next?  i think the trend has been going
the other way over the last few years.  original containers, blue jeans
under tunics, coleman chairs, etc all seem to be the norm these days.
personally i find that to be a more disturbing trend.  when i go to a court
and the couple sitting in nice period style (or at least resembling a period
style) chairs, with nice garb, drinking from period vessels look out of
place in a sea of jeans and nylon chairs and mountain dew bottles, i think
we have become too slack and allowed too much.

just my opinion

logan

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Subject: RE: [MR] Festus Autumnus

Gerlach,

Thanks for the reply however I think you are missing my point. I realize
that
there might be enough cabin space but this is not the first event
announcement
that I have seen that states something like this. I find it a disturbing
trend.

Usually when it is stated that there is cabin space it is a limited amount
and
usually it is barracks style camping. There are people who are not
comfortable
with that type of arrangement and/or may not be able to rest in that type of
arrangement. If they do not have a period pavillion in this type of
situation
they are then excluded from participating. I have even seen one event
announcement (I believe it was a crown tourney or coronation) that actually
stated that non-period tents are discouraged.

As I said, I find this attitude disturbing. The SCA has always been a more
or
less inclusive group but this is not what I am seeing with announcements
like
this.

That is the point I am trying to make but thanks for your differing point of
view.

Chimbai

> Chimbai,
>
> 	I think that you might be looking at this from the wrong angle.
> Rather than being exclusionary for those who don't have Period Pavillions,
I
> would say it's rather that there are cabins for people to sleep in and if
> you have gone to the extra effort to get/maintain a period pavillion, you
> may camp in it, if you chose to do so.
>
> 	If there was not cabin space, the site probably wouldn't be used.
>
> Gerlach
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	pandora at his.com [SMTP:pandora at his.com]
> > Sent:	Friday, May 31, 2002 12:16 PM
> > To:	Gracie V .Boone
> > Cc:	atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> > Subject:	Re: [MR] Festus Autumnus
> >
> > So by this announcement am I correct in assuming that if you do not take
a
> >
> > cabin space and do not have a period pavillion you cannot camp?
> >
> > If that is a correct assumption, when have we become so discriminatory
> > that we
> > will not allow people to participate because they do not or cannot
afford
> > a
> > period pavillion. Yes I realize there is cabin space at this point but
> > suppose
> > there was not?
> >
> > chimbai
> >
> >
> > > Greetings to all in the Tavern this day...
> > >
> > > The decadence of Rome awaits you high in the mountains of Crannog Mor.
> > >  Come one, come all  and cheer your favorite gladiator onto victory.
> > > Reserve early!  Spend your day fighting, feasting and reveling in the
> > > splendour that was Rome!
> > >
> > > Arts and Sciences: Rome has always been a place of beauty as well as
> > > strength.  Categories for competition will include: Brewing and
Vinting
> > > (documentation requested, but not required) Entries will be separated
> > > into 3 categories: Beers, Wines, Cordials.  Winners will be selected
by
> > > popular vote (ID required to judge).  Our Bardic Competition will have
> > > an open format and in keeping with the theme of the day, an open A&S
> > > competition for all things Roman will also be held. Documentation is
> > > required.
> > > Martial Activities:Will include Heavy, Rapier, Archery and Thrown
> > > Weapons.
> > > Site: The Site will be Camp Skyranch , 634 Sky Ranch Road, Boone, NC
> > > 28607  Site opens at noon on Friday, Sept 13 and closes at 6pm on
Sunday
> > > September 15. Site is handicapped accessible.  Discreetly wet (NO
> > > original containers).  Cabin spaces are available and tenting is
> > > permitted in Period Pavilions only.
> > >
> >
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