[MR] Crown Tourney, the SCA , and such.

[Martin, Nancy-Ellen]

Sir Christian, can you please post this to the list for me? Thanks!

MG

Vels,
I have sat by and watched this quietly, and I cannot sit by any longer.
No one is saying that you do not have a right to your opinion, but it is
REALLY unnecessary to attack people in the rude manner that you have
consistently done throughout this conversation. So,please read what you
write and think very carefully about your tone before you blast it to the
list. If you don't care that you are rude, then I guess it does not matter,
but I hope that it is merely a case of a passionate opinion on the matter
that has over come your judgment in how you have chosen to word things. For
instance, stating something that Sir Christian said was a "falsity". This
implies that this MOST honorable of men purposely, for some underhanded
reason chosen to perpetuate a lie. If he stated a fact that HE BELIEVED to
be true, I can guarantee you that whether or not you agree with it, or
whether or not it is true, he would never intentionally perpetuate a
falsehood for his gain.
As to this question of the format of Crown. I think what most folks  who do
not disagree with the BoD's decision are trying to say is that we don't have
some huge fear that if the BoD did not stop this now, that a Crown War would
an eventuality in Atlantian. What we are saying is that we think that the
BoD did the right thing because of how WE FEEL a Crown should be run
(again...OPINION HERE). I think that anyone has fought in a Crown or been a
Consort has a hard time wrapping their mind around the Crown War concept. I
(again...OPINION) think that a Crown War warps the spirit of the tourney.
You may think me a romantic, (and I am okay with that) but when a combatant
goes out in single combat to fight for the honor of their consort, that says
something. Be they friends or romantically involved, you cannot understand
the shear power of that moment unless you have been there. That might sound
elitist to those of you who have not, or might not ever be in that
situation. All I can tell you is, that the moment that the man I love most
in the world struck that final blow, and he became Prince, the emotions were
overwhelming. I was so proud of him and so deeply honored that he loved me
enough to make me his Princess.
I truly don't know if he had lead a pack of other folks in armor on a field,
and won the day if it would have been the same. Not because there might have
been questions about his abilities, but because I think that Crown is where
each combatant should display their honor and chivalry as proudly as their
physical prowess, and while this can be cone in a melee format, it is just
not the same as on combatant being responsible for their own actions in a
one-on-one format.
Maybe it is boring tourney to watch if you are not involved first hand. I
have always found Crown tournaments to be the most enjoyable and wondrous of
all SCA events even when I did not know a soul in the tournament. While the
format might not be medieval, the spirit and pageantry of the day certainly
is (CREATIVE Anachronism). 
It is always interesting when people choose to play the "it's not period"
card when it suits them and ignore it when it does not.
I am a believer that Kingdoms should have a LOT of freedom to decide what
works best for them and that on a lot of issues, the BoD should not be
involved. BUT, in this case, this is not like say, sumptuary laws or the
creation of awards. This is how one becomes King, which is something that
should not be decided lightly, and there should be a standard of how this
will be done in our Society. My opinion is (there is that word again) that
the BoD did the right thing.

Countess Mary-Grace of Gatland

-----Original Message-----
From: Velsthe1 at aol.com [mailto:Velsthe1 at aol.com]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 5:20 PM
To: CLINTDARBY at aol.com; atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [MR] Crwon Tourney, the SCA , and such.


>First: for the past 30 plus years we and our brother 
>Kingdom's have always fought a double elimination 
>Tourney. It's tradition.

Syr Christian,

Our "Brother Kingdoms" have NOT always fought Double Elimination Tourney's.
I myself have Heralded two Round-Robin Crown Tourneys in Drachenwald, and
can for a fact attest to the falsity of your statement.

Many times a double elim, yes. More common than any other, yes. Possibly
always in Atlantia; but not ALWAYS,and Everywhere as you have suggested.

Changing the method may not change anything for the better, but can anyone
assuredly say that it will change for the worse?

It is a game. As an avide Gamer for the last 15 years, the best games are
the ones that grant the greatest lee-way without becoming unbalanced, and
without losing in it what the game's genre is. 


Vels
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