[MR] Curiosity

[MR W]

Just some things to think about:

Only a court of law can find someone guilty of a crime, until then they are presumed innocent. Even if you don't like the individual. We are too quick to condem people by rumors within our Society, especialy if they are a strong individual. Most of the things I read on the Count's webpage would not make it in court. (Most, not all)

If accusations within a "social club" (Which we are.) have a adverse effect on a indiviual (Such as R&B), and are not true, then they can sue the "club" and the individuals for slander. In California and most of the west coast, most of the cases of slander go to the person slandered, exspecialy if the accusations are in wrighting and are proven to be secound hand, changed at a latter date, or if enough individuals come forward to counter as first hand witnesses. This usually results in the Dues of the individuals in the club to climb due to the lawsuit. (This is bad.)

We are not a corporation, although we have some of the qualities of such. We are basically a not for profit social club, and we have a beurocracy. Now it is far easier for a beurocracy to say no to something, or ignore it. The fact that the BoD did act is saying something. (Although I would take the information printed on this case from both sides and divide it in half and that might be the truth.)

The BoD's biggest power is the fact that we are so big. Leaving and starting a new "Club" is silly, we all like lots of people to play with. Distance between Kingdoms also helps because who want's to fly to California to argue a small point, easier to gripe at home.

As the BoD is still the top of our "Beurocracy" they should still be held with a little distrust. After 20 years in the Navy, I have come to distrust all beurocracy's as they will always take the easier way, not necessarily the right one. (Compromise or give in to the largest loudest group.) It is not that they plot, conspire, or are part of the Illuminati, this is just the way beurocratic councils are.  One of my friends is on the BoD, a good guy, but when he dones his BoD turbin I get the garlic and stakes. Never totaly trust any group that has power over you, or do you trust the Government totaly?

Also, U.S. copy write laws about names do not necessarily applie in other countries. Japan is notorius for that. So someone in Japan could break away and call itself the SCA, as could a lot of other countries.  

However, this has been a very brisk interesting discussion.

----- Original Message -----
From: Hank Harwell
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:42 PM
To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [MR] Curiosity

This was meant for the entire list, and due to someone not paying
attention to the reply settings, sent it to an individual instead.

Brother Cleireac of Inisliath

Do not be afraid, for we have God as our guide and helper.  God will
guide us as God pleases.
-- St. Brendan

--------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Hank Harwell <cleireac at juno.com>
To: angela at ascc01.ascc.lucent.com
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:23:10 -0500
Subject: Re: [MR] Curiosity


On Fri, 01 Feb 2002 12:00:19 -0500 "Angela K. Pincha-Neel"
<angela at ascc01.ascc.lucent.com> writes:
> what
> are the checks
> on the BoD?
>
> Drea

I have tried to let this go, but something that everyone keeps forgetting
is that the BoD is no one person.  It is a body, IIRC of seven.  Seven
people from different walks of life, from different geographical regions
bringing with them different points of view.  Once check that they have
is each other.  They have to be able to look at their constituencies in
the eyes and tell them that stewardship of the SCA Inc was completed in
the best interests of all concerned.

For all intents and purposes, and R&D is a death sentence.  Has anyone
paid attention how hard it is to get a jury to pass a death sentence?  In
many jurisdictions it require a unanimous verdict by the jury.  One vote
against means the convicted person spends life in prison.  For the BoD to
come to a unanimous verdict means that the evidence had to be pretty
solid, or else the BoD is a bunch of blithering idiots, in which case
_none_ of the actions of BoD would make sense.

Perhaps I'm a bit naive (ok, maybe a lot!), but I am no conspiracy
theorist.  I may have been born in the sixties, but I don't automatically
assume that all authority is to be mistrusted.

There has been times in the past when the BoD has pulled some boneheaded
stunts, but these were opposed by the populace, and BoD reversed its
position.  If this situation falls into this category, I'm confident that
the pendulum will swing back.

At any rate the BoD has acted in what it felt was the best interest of
the SCA.  Just as there a number of people who believe that the accused
is innocent until proven guilty, I happen to believe that the BoD is
likewise is innocent until proven guilty, and not proven so in the fickle
court of public opinion.

Brother Cleireac of Inisliath

Do not be afraid, for we have God as our guide and helper.  God will
guide us as God pleases.
-- St. Brendan
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