[MR] Comments on Proposed revision of Corpora IV.A.1.

[David W. Dodge]

I am one of those who will never fight in Crown but I thought I point
out something I find interesting. I quote from the below text,

 "i dont think there are any benefits to that style of crown list and
dont think you should change things simply because you can." 

As I understand it the BOD wants to make a change to prevent something
that has only been done once in one kingdom. As Gorm pointed out why
take the decision on what type of "Crown Maker" format to use away from
the kingdom? It serves no purpose other than remove power from the
individual kingdoms and turn it over to the BOD. Remember if this change
is not enacted, no kingdom will be forced to use the "War Crown/ Melee"
format.

Donovan Morgan

PS. Corwyn, I am sending this same opinion to the BOD.

Donovan
-----Original Message-----
From: atlantia-admin at atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:atlantia-admin at atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Logan
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 1:08 PM
To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
Subject: RE: [MR] Comments on Proposed revision of Corpora IV.A.1.

there is a flaw in your thinking gorm.  that flaw is that the same
"kingmakers" can still enter the list in order to eliminate the
competition
(spoilers if you will).  perhaps they decide the king by the one of them
that makes it to the finals instead of that friendly game of darts.
either
way the still act as a group for the betterment of that group.  and
chances
are very high that one of them will be in the finals.  you still end up
with
a  popularity contest (imagine that same group also pulls 65 tu chuxs
into
the fray).

 the point being that it can easily be rigged and that would be
unfortunate.
whereas it is much easier to control a single combat fight then a melee.
i
dont think there are any benefits to that style of crown list and dont
think
you should change things simply because you can.  perhaps if those in
favor
of this idea would give some reasons for their support it might make
things
more clear.

regards
logan



-----Original Message-----
From: atlantia-admin at atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:atlantia-admin at atlantia.sca.org]On Behalf Of Gorm of Berra
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 11:53 AM
To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [MR] Comments on Proposed revision of Corpora IV.A.1.


I think it is very important to point out that many of those claiming
that
the proposed system is bad are inadvertantly not considering one
important
facet of the way An Tir chose to perform their experiment.

It was NOT merely a melee tournament.  The combatants fought in a
"Normal"
fashion (ie one-on one, I do not know if it was Single or Double
elimination, or pools, or what, but I do know that it was single combat)
UNTIL the field was down to the final two.

Then those two, and ONLY those two, had the overnight period to garner
support from the other entrants of the Crown Tournament.  ONLY those who
fought in the Crown Tourney were eligible for the "Crown War" portion.

So it would not be possible for the proposed small "Kingmaking" group to
decide to throw the crown to someone and just rotate it between
themselves.  Their proposed champion would have to get all the way to
the
finals of Crown, not coincidentally defeating the other members of the
"Kingmakers" , before the others could band behind him and give him the
Crown, if they could defeat whoever the other finalist had behind him.

So, the pool of contenders is limited to those who can, on their own
honor
and skill and will, acheive the rank of Crown Tournament finalist.  That
is
a very select group...in my memory there are Logan, Anton, Galmr,
Amalric,
Corby, Janos, Ragnarr, Stephan, and a handful of others.  The same folks
who win Crown tourneys.

 From another angle...No one is proposing to force Kingdoms to adopt
Melee
combat for the selection of Kings.  Leaving things as they are merely
allows those Kingdoms who wish it to give it a shot.  And it's a
self-correcting problem.  If Melee combat finals produce bad Kings, then
future Kings won't have the selection by Melee combat.

Perversely enough, this is a Kingdom rights issue.  Give the Kingdoms
rights to choose their monarchs how they choose (so long as it's within
the
parameters of Rattan Combat).  Don't force them to use a system that was
developed by accident.  The Society can't be harmed by allowing
experimentation.

Single combat has chosen bad kings as well.  There was a King from the
Midrealm back many years ago who is reviled, some believe a recent King
of
An Tir was bad.  Both of these were chosen by single combat.  Should we
eliminate that system because it has demonstrated that it can create bad
Kings?

Gorm of Berra

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