[MR] Comments on Proposed revision of Corpora IV.A.1.

[Logan]

there is a flaw in your thinking gorm.  that flaw is that the same
"kingmakers" can still enter the list in order to eliminate the competition
(spoilers if you will).  perhaps they decide the king by the one of them
that makes it to the finals instead of that friendly game of darts.  either
way the still act as a group for the betterment of that group.  and chances
are very high that one of them will be in the finals.  you still end up with
a  popularity contest (imagine that same group also pulls 65 tu chuxs into
the fray).

 the point being that it can easily be rigged and that would be unfortunate.
whereas it is much easier to control a single combat fight then a melee.  i
dont think there are any benefits to that style of crown list and dont think
you should change things simply because you can.  perhaps if those in favor
of this idea would give some reasons for their support it might make things
more clear.

regards
logan



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Subject: Re: [MR] Comments on Proposed revision of Corpora IV.A.1.


I think it is very important to point out that many of those claiming that
the proposed system is bad are inadvertantly not considering one important
facet of the way An Tir chose to perform their experiment.

It was NOT merely a melee tournament.  The combatants fought in a "Normal"
fashion (ie one-on one, I do not know if it was Single or Double
elimination, or pools, or what, but I do know that it was single combat)
UNTIL the field was down to the final two.

Then those two, and ONLY those two, had the overnight period to garner
support from the other entrants of the Crown Tournament.  ONLY those who
fought in the Crown Tourney were eligible for the "Crown War" portion.

So it would not be possible for the proposed small "Kingmaking" group to
decide to throw the crown to someone and just rotate it between
themselves.  Their proposed champion would have to get all the way to the
finals of Crown, not coincidentally defeating the other members of the
"Kingmakers" , before the others could band behind him and give him the
Crown, if they could defeat whoever the other finalist had behind him.

So, the pool of contenders is limited to those who can, on their own honor
and skill and will, acheive the rank of Crown Tournament finalist.  That is
a very select group...in my memory there are Logan, Anton, Galmr, Amalric,
Corby, Janos, Ragnarr, Stephan, and a handful of others.  The same folks
who win Crown tourneys.

 From another angle...No one is proposing to force Kingdoms to adopt Melee
combat for the selection of Kings.  Leaving things as they are merely
allows those Kingdoms who wish it to give it a shot.  And it's a
self-correcting problem.  If Melee combat finals produce bad Kings, then
future Kings won't have the selection by Melee combat.

Perversely enough, this is a Kingdom rights issue.  Give the Kingdoms
rights to choose their monarchs how they choose (so long as it's within the
parameters of Rattan Combat).  Don't force them to use a system that was
developed by accident.  The Society can't be harmed by allowing
experimentation.

Single combat has chosen bad kings as well.  There was a King from the
Midrealm back many years ago who is reviled, some believe a recent King of
An Tir was bad.  Both of these were chosen by single combat.  Should we
eliminate that system because it has demonstrated that it can create bad
Kings?

Gorm of Berra

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