[MR] Coronation Curia - New Orders?

[Becky McEllistrem]

> 
> Ouch, that seems like it would be an even stickier
> situation. Seems like
> you'd have to form a committee to come up with
> "standards" that determine
> what constitutes "inactivity." 

I think we're going off on a tangent here.  All that's
required of the Crown is to post the changes and make
them as public as possible.  It's up to principals and
members of the order to keep track of how this change
affects them.  How little or much a member of an order
has been inactive is irrelevant here.  If a member of
the Golden Dolphin for instance becomes inactive and
then 6 months or 5 years later decides to play again
they are still a member of the Order of the Golden
Dolphin.

> 
> 
> Hmm, not picking any particular Order (or Peerage
> for that matter) I'd have
> to say that generally the bar moves in one
> direction. Up! As both you and
> Phillip have stated and others have concurred, there
> is an impression that
> it is harder to obtain recognization at every level
> than it might have been
> say 10 years ago. This "rising bar" in part comes
> from an individual's
> perception on how hard it was for THEM to obtain the
> honor. 

Not necessarily.  I'm not interested in how hard or
easy it is for me to obtain the order.  I'm speaking
from my experience in recommending others to the order
and how long it's taken for me to see others
recognized.  I don't think of my own recognition
often.  I think of what projects I want to complete
and what research I want to complete but not whether
it's going to achieve recognition for me.  I do
however get frustrated at how long it takes for others
to be recognized, especially when I see several others
around me that agree with me.

Fixing in their
> mind what they think they had to do, they tend (and
> this is a generality) to
> vote/poll holding others to a standard they feel
> they were held to. 

Actually I like to think I hold a higher standard of
requirement for what I should do in order to achieve
recognition.  It works that way when you're a
behind-the-scenes player.

And
> let's face it, we all generally think pretty highly
> of ourselves when it
> comes to our output. 

I disagree.  I know what projects went well and
exactly where my failures were.  I also learn from my
failures.  I agree some folks think highly of
themselves and their output but I'm not sure this is a
general trend.


The result being a
> progressively increasing "bar." Half
> unintended, half intended. It's common in every
> organization. As long as we
> are mindful it can be managed. Anyway, that is what
> I meant by "moving bar."

Thanks for explaining.  I agree the bar can be managed
and I think things have been improving with time but I
think where "bar raising or bar lowering" is
concerned, there's much more improvement to be made.



> 
> I guess I'd refer you back to my final quote from an
> excellent movie: "the
> hard...is what makes it great." The continued
> challenging of yourself to
> obtain goals you've set for yourself is what lets
> you know you are still
> alive. There are some goals in the Society and in
> life I'm sure I'll never
> reach, but I and you and others must keep trying.
> Obtaining peace in our
> time is hard but we should never let others break
> our resolve or striving.
> 

Movies are great entertainment aren't they?  I think I
made my opiniosn clear about what you call "bar
management" above.  Thanks Colin for discussing this
with me so patiently.

> Colin G


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