[Archers] Marshal Nomenclature

[Lorelei Elkins]

In the Barony of the Sacred Stone, we had the title of Phoenix Guard
Captain, who was pretty much the contact for the archers, but it was a
Baronial designation only.

Lorelei

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 8:29 AM Chip Miles <ldursus at gmail.com> wrote:

> As a former Captain of Archers in Atenveldt, I kinda liked the office
> name.
> The title and $3.50 would get me a cup of coffee.
> But it denoted me as the Baronial Officer in charge of Archery. But we
> also had to do officer reports, and I don't miss that.
>
> YIS
> Ursus
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 8:32 PM GEORGE <jaynardone at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Lord Mungo you are always thinking, I like that about you. Yes, please
>> remember this for our next DEM and lets bring it up to them again. In the
>> meantime if your local group has a web presence or Facebook presence there
>> is no reason you cant be listed as the “TAM” for your local group with your
>> contact info.
>>
>> In service
>>
>> Janyn
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>>
>> From: Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
>> To: archers at atlantia.sca.org
>> Sent: April 22, 2019 at 6:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Archers] Marshal Nomenclature
>>
>> Lord Janyn, and Friends;
>>
>> Thank you all for your thoughts on this question. I hope this discussion
>> was profitable, and I'm pleased to see that I wasn't the first to think
>> about this. Perhaps our next DEM will find a way to address the question.
>> From now on I will not use "Captain of Archers" or any other designator,
>> until there is official action.
>>
>> Nobody addressed the second point, and that was whether a star [*] or
>> some other designator could be added in the Marshal List to help us find
>> who is in charge for TA business purposes.
>>
>> Yours Aye,
>>
>> Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 1:12 PM JAY NARDONE <jaynardone at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Lord Mungo, I held this discussion when I was DEM. It was one of those
>>> things that was brought to curia but never actually made it to curia along
>>> with the 3 or 4 other items I wanted to officially have changed. While I am
>>> not and have never been in favor of us just willy nilly just affording
>>> ourselves made up titles, I see your point. That is why I suggested that in
>>> all local groups the lead marshal should be called and named the "TAM."
>>> There are still groups within our kingdom today that do not have official
>>> TAMs identified.
>>>
>>> I think it will become very confusing if all of a sudden we now have
>>> Archer General, Captain of the archers, Lieutenant of the archers, etc...
>>> There is no need for this and in my eyes it is pompous for a group that was
>>> never that way.
>>>
>>> Just my 2 cents...
>>>
>>> Master Janyn Fletcher
>>>
>>> On April 20, 2019 at 6:05 AM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <
>>> mallardlodge1000 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Noble Friends of the Bow,
>>>
>>> I would like to spark a discussion about what we as Target Archery
>>> Marshals who are in charge of a sub-group's archers call ourselves.
>>>
>>> As I understand the way our title is stated as officers of the kingdom,
>>> we are simply called "[Name of subgroup] Target Archery Marshal". That
>>> applies to all the TA marshals of that group, so there is no way to tell
>>> the difference between the gentles who file the quarterly reports and "run
>>> the shop" from their subordinates. No problem when I was the only TA
>>> Marshal in Isenfir, but now we have six active TA marshals.
>>>
>>> For a while I used the handle "Target Archery Marshal In Charge", but
>>> was told is an official designation only for a TA who is running an event,
>>> and that using it at the group level was incorrect.
>>>
>>> Since then I have informally called myself "Captain of Archers" on
>>> correspondence, which seems to be an accurate description (see signature
>>> below). I know this might sound a bit haughty, but it is a useful
>>> differentiation, especially as I am sometimes the point-of-contact for
>>> inquiries from potential new members, outside groups that want an archery
>>> demo/speaker, etc.
>>>
>>> I recognize that, if official, such a designation would need Kingdom
>>> approval. Maybe this is something upon which we could agree upon and ask
>>> TRMs for official recognition through our next DEM. Does anyone know if
>>> other kingdoms use such at title that could serve as a guide?
>>>
>>> Another purely practical idea: If we need to do business with the TA
>>> Marshal of another group, it would be handy to know which TA to contact.
>>> Perhaps a star [*] or some other mark could be added to listings on the
>>> marshals' roster page to show who is in charge. This would be an easy
>>> programming fix, and completely separate from any question about titles.
>>>
>>> Any other ideas? Is this a tempest in a teapot?
>>>
>>> Yours Aye,
>>>
>>> Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆
>>> Captain of Archers, Shire of Isenfir
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