[Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 153, Issue 6

Thu Jun 9 18:49:13 PDT 2016

Lord Mongo, Thank you for the heads up about the bows/arrows and youth on
the range at Ruby Joust. Although all your points that you have made are
well taken. As a Marshal trying to encourage more archery turn out and
participation especially with families I do not want to run folks off the
range because of modern equipment.

I think we should take all the points that Lord Mongo has made and be more
cautious on the range. Also in a kind fashion explain to new comers why we
don't use new equipment and where ever possible use loaner gear.

Thank you again Lord Mongo.

In service,

Lord Seamus McRay
Atlantia Archery DEM

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>    1. Arrow/Bow Problem at Ruby (Garth Groff)
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>    3. Target Archery At Highland River Melee's? (Lady Esperanza)
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> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 18:17:43 -0400
> From: Garth Groff <sarahsan at embarqmail.com>
> To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: [Archers] Arrow/Bow Problem at Ruby
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> Noble Friends of the Bow, Greetings.
>
> I want to talk about a potentially serious safety hazard I observed at
> Ruby Joust, partly my fault for not being more vigilant.
>
> Three youngsters from a family were shooting, with their parents helping
> them. Both parents were archers. The oldest child, six years-old, was
> using one of those cursed Barnett Little Sioux bows, and children's
> glass fiber arrows with plastic vanes and rather blunt crimp-on field
> points. He was shooting at targets set at about 7 yards, and was able to
> pull the bow back not quite to his chest. Many of his shots were not
> penetrating the target face, which was archery foam. Suddenly one of his
> arrows bounced back, and began turning cartwheels before landing about
> 8' from the shooting line. His father and I agreed that he was to only
> shoot at the 10-yard target from that point on. Before they left the
> range, I asked the lad to try drawing one of my 12-18 lb Bear Crusaders.
> He drew this bow effortlessly, actually a bit too far without any
> problem. I wanted to discuss the youngsters' needs with their father,
> but he was not really open to advice, or maybe I came on too strong.
>
> The problem lies first with that Barnett bow. This bow is supposedly
> rated for 15 lbs, but most youngsters can't pull it to an anchor point.
> Why? The limbs don't taper, either in thickness or from side to side,
> thus the bow stacks very badly and there is no "let off" gained from
> tapered limbs as the draw finishes. The bow usually can't be drawn to 15
> lbs, and this lad was probably struggling to get about 7 lbs from it. I
> had two of these turkeys in the Shire's loaner kit, and nearly every
> youngster who ever used one hated those bows soundly. One youngster was
> in tears, and begged me for another bow. I gave him an old 17 lb Indian,
> and he had no problem shooting it. About two years ago I worked a deal
> to trade the Shire two of my own nearly-new Bear Crusaders for the
> Barnetts. I disassembled one, stripping off the limb tips for my parts
> stock, and pulling out limbs, making sure they went into a different
> trash cans so nobody could put the bow back in service and frustrate
> other children. The second Barnett remains in my teaching kit. Sadly,
> these things are much more common than Bears and PSEs since they are
> featured at Dicks and Gander Mountain, and many kids turn up on SCA
> ranges with them.
>
> The second problem was the arrows. You all know, as I also know, these
> things don't belong on our ranges because of the plastic vanes and fiber
> shafts. I have gotten lax, and allowed very young children to use them
> when no scores are involved. And yes, a lot of you do this too, I'm
> sure. Normally these arrows can penetrate archery foam fairly well, but
> in this case the lad's bow didn't have enough fling. Those very blunt
> tips were the second reason he couldn't get penetration. I suggested
> inexpensive children's arrows from Elk Ridge or Black Rhino, but his dad
> wasn't interested. My mistake was compounded, because I brought six sets
> of 1/4" children's arrows with PDP field points and could easily have
> equipped all three children. In the future I will insist that children
> bringing these arrows use my loaner gear instead (which means I should
> make some more arrow sets before WoW). To the rest of you, I recommend
> we all be more diligent about keeping these fiber arrows off our ranges.
>
> Yours Aye,
>
>
> Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir TA MIC
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 00:36:16 +0000 (UTC)
> From: janynfletcher at comcast.net
> To: "Groff, Garth" <sarahsan at embarqmail.com>
> Cc: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [Archers] Warrant Class at WoW
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> I can also teach a class if required
>
> Janyn
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> From: "Garth Groff" <sarahsan at embarqmail.com>
> To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 7:56:32 PM
> Subject: [Archers] Warrant Class at WoW
>
> Hello Friends of the Bow,
>
> I will be offering the Target Archery Marshal's Warrant class at War of
> the Wings this fall. I can teach one-on-one or a group of 2-3 persons. I
> can offer class sessions during the day Thursday, Friday, and Saturday.
> Times will be worked out by the attendees and myself. Last year, I
> taught outdoors next to the archery range, and hope to do the same this
> year, as the range is where the archers are.
>
> If you are interested, please send an e-mail to me at:
> sarahsan at embarqmail.com
>
> Thank you,
>
> Lady Sarah Sinclair (Sally)
>
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> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 14:23:15 -0400
> From: Lady Esperanza <lady_esperanza at cox.net>
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> Subject: [Archers] Target Archery At Highland River Melee's?
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> Can someone please confirm that there is target archery at Highland River
> Melee?
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> Thank you
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> Baroness Esperanza
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