<div dir="ltr">Lord Mongo, Thank you for the heads up about the bows/arrows and youth on the range at Ruby Joust. Although all your points that you have made are well taken. As a Marshal trying to encourage more archery turn out and participation especially with families I do not want to run folks off the range because of modern equipment. <div><br></div><div>I think we should take all the points that Lord Mongo has made and be more cautious on the range. Also in a kind fashion explain to new comers why we don't use new equipment and where ever possible use loaner gear.<div><br></div><div>Thank you again Lord Mongo.<br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>In service, </div><div><br></div>Lord Seamus McRay<div>Atlantia Archery DEM</div></div></div></div>
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1. Arrow/Bow Problem at Ruby (Garth Groff)<br>
2. Re: Warrant Class at WoW (<a href="mailto:janynfletcher@comcast.net">janynfletcher@comcast.net</a>)<br>
3. Target Archery At Highland River Melee's? (Lady Esperanza)<br>
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Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 18:17:43 -0400<br>
From: Garth Groff <<a href="mailto:sarahsan@embarqmail.com">sarahsan@embarqmail.com</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br>
Subject: [Archers] Arrow/Bow Problem at Ruby<br>
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Noble Friends of the Bow, Greetings.<br>
<br>
I want to talk about a potentially serious safety hazard I observed at<br>
Ruby Joust, partly my fault for not being more vigilant.<br>
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Three youngsters from a family were shooting, with their parents helping<br>
them. Both parents were archers. The oldest child, six years-old, was<br>
using one of those cursed Barnett Little Sioux bows, and children's<br>
glass fiber arrows with plastic vanes and rather blunt crimp-on field<br>
points. He was shooting at targets set at about 7 yards, and was able to<br>
pull the bow back not quite to his chest. Many of his shots were not<br>
penetrating the target face, which was archery foam. Suddenly one of his<br>
arrows bounced back, and began turning cartwheels before landing about<br>
8' from the shooting line. His father and I agreed that he was to only<br>
shoot at the 10-yard target from that point on. Before they left the<br>
range, I asked the lad to try drawing one of my 12-18 lb Bear Crusaders.<br>
He drew this bow effortlessly, actually a bit too far without any<br>
problem. I wanted to discuss the youngsters' needs with their father,<br>
but he was not really open to advice, or maybe I came on too strong.<br>
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The problem lies first with that Barnett bow. This bow is supposedly<br>
rated for 15 lbs, but most youngsters can't pull it to an anchor point.<br>
Why? The limbs don't taper, either in thickness or from side to side,<br>
thus the bow stacks very badly and there is no "let off" gained from<br>
tapered limbs as the draw finishes. The bow usually can't be drawn to 15<br>
lbs, and this lad was probably struggling to get about 7 lbs from it. I<br>
had two of these turkeys in the Shire's loaner kit, and nearly every<br>
youngster who ever used one hated those bows soundly. One youngster was<br>
in tears, and begged me for another bow. I gave him an old 17 lb Indian,<br>
and he had no problem shooting it. About two years ago I worked a deal<br>
to trade the Shire two of my own nearly-new Bear Crusaders for the<br>
Barnetts. I disassembled one, stripping off the limb tips for my parts<br>
stock, and pulling out limbs, making sure they went into a different<br>
trash cans so nobody could put the bow back in service and frustrate<br>
other children. The second Barnett remains in my teaching kit. Sadly,<br>
these things are much more common than Bears and PSEs since they are<br>
featured at Dicks and Gander Mountain, and many kids turn up on SCA<br>
ranges with them.<br>
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The second problem was the arrows. You all know, as I also know, these<br>
things don't belong on our ranges because of the plastic vanes and fiber<br>
shafts. I have gotten lax, and allowed very young children to use them<br>
when no scores are involved. And yes, a lot of you do this too, I'm<br>
sure. Normally these arrows can penetrate archery foam fairly well, but<br>
in this case the lad's bow didn't have enough fling. Those very blunt<br>
tips were the second reason he couldn't get penetration. I suggested<br>
inexpensive children's arrows from Elk Ridge or Black Rhino, but his dad<br>
wasn't interested. My mistake was compounded, because I brought six sets<br>
of 1/4" children's arrows with PDP field points and could easily have<br>
equipped all three children. In the future I will insist that children<br>
bringing these arrows use my loaner gear instead (which means I should<br>
make some more arrow sets before WoW). To the rest of you, I recommend<br>
we all be more diligent about keeping these fiber arrows off our ranges.<br>
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Yours Aye,<br>
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Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir TA MIC<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 00:36:16 +0000 (UTC)<br>
From: <a href="mailto:janynfletcher@comcast.net">janynfletcher@comcast.net</a><br>
To: "Groff, Garth" <<a href="mailto:sarahsan@embarqmail.com">sarahsan@embarqmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Archers] Warrant Class at WoW<br>
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I can also teach a class if required<br>
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Janyn<br>
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From: "Garth Groff" <<a href="mailto:sarahsan@embarqmail.com">sarahsan@embarqmail.com</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br>
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 7:56:32 PM<br>
Subject: [Archers] Warrant Class at WoW<br>
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Hello Friends of the Bow,<br>
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I will be offering the Target Archery Marshal's Warrant class at War of<br>
the Wings this fall. I can teach one-on-one or a group of 2-3 persons. I<br>
can offer class sessions during the day Thursday, Friday, and Saturday.<br>
Times will be worked out by the attendees and myself. Last year, I<br>
taught outdoors next to the archery range, and hope to do the same this<br>
year, as the range is where the archers are.<br>
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If you are interested, please send an e-mail to me at:<br>
<a href="mailto:sarahsan@embarqmail.com">sarahsan@embarqmail.com</a><br>
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Thank you,<br>
<br>
Lady Sarah Sinclair (Sally)<br>
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From: Lady Esperanza <<a href="mailto:lady_esperanza@cox.net">lady_esperanza@cox.net</a>><br>
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Subject: [Archers] Target Archery At Highland River Melee's?<br>
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Can someone please confirm that there is target archery at Highland River Melee?<br>
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Thank you<br>
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Baroness Esperanza<br>
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