[Archers] Equestrian Archery

Sun Sep 20 14:01:17 PDT 2015

Lord Mungo, I have moved this discussion to the archers list as I didn’t want to lose this valuable discussion.

If the activity includes archery it falls under our Marshallate period. Also you have hit it right on the head. I know at past events that had equestrian archery, there was no coordination between the equestrian archers and the MIC for archery as far as I am aware. The equestrian activity is treated separately and I am not comfortable having equestrian archers that cant marshal their own range or adding additional burden of non-equestrian marshals having to marshal an equestrian activity when many of us know little about it. In my mind, the solution is to require equestrian archers to sit through our class and become a marshal, or if TA marshals are willing, become equestrian marshals for TA activities.

In any event, now that this is public I would like to hear from our archery community what everyone’s thoughts are?

In Service,

Janyn

From: Garth Groff [mailto:sarahsan at embarqmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:33 AM
To: Janyn Fletcher <janynfletcher at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Archers] Equestrian Archery

M'Lord Janyn,

Has horse archery actually been assigned to you by the Crown or the EM? If so this is an archery activity, period, and we need to have a marshal present at any equestrian archery event to do inspections and ensure safety. You already have this authority. While this will need to be clearly stated in our rules and the equestrian rules, and supported by the equestrian community, it is a no-brainer. Getting everybody on board is going to be the hard part, and may require more support from the EM or even the crown. Cat-herding anyone? :~)

If you don't have formal authority, then the equestrians may expect to control this activity themselves. That would be more like combat archery being under the control of heavy marshals. Then it is their problem (and the EM's), not yours our ours.

Ideally, a marshal supervising horse archery should also be an equestrian, but there probably aren't any that are both (Grimm, maybe?). For now, you may have to accept that non-equestrian TA marshals will do this. Would it require special training? Probably not a bad idea. Maybe a special authorization? Would it be possible to have the equestrian marshals cross-trained for limited TA authority? Some of the things we do don't apply, or would be different--safety zones, for example, so maybe they could serve a shortened apprenticeship. If so, it needs to be stated in the rules that they have no authority as marshals on a TA range.

Here's an interesting thought. Suppose an equestrian marshal and a TA marshal disagree about something. Whose decision is final?

I wonder if our horse archers are aware of the rule against PVC pipe bows, many of which are made as horse-bows? And just curious, does your ban on these bows extend to combat archery?

Yours Aye,

Mungo

On 9/19/15 9:57 PM, Janyn Fletcher wrote:

Lord Mungo, I hear your point and it is valid. I think some discussion on the topic is in order. My concern is that there needs to be a current marshal around when they are shooting. Most times we are not and that concerns me.

Janyn

From: Garth Groff [mailto:sarahsan at embarqmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 4:56 AM
To: Janyn Fletcher  <mailto:janynfletcher at comcast.net> <janynfletcher at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Archers] Equestrian Archery

Janyn,

Making all the equestrian archers be marshals may be a hard sell. There is one equestrian in our group who has been a combat archer and is now experimenting with horse archery at major events. Will she take the time to become warranted? I doubt it (though I would be pleased to train her). 

Perhaps an authorization similar to combat sports would be the better way to do this.

Yours Aye,

Mungo

On 9/18/15 10:55 PM, Janyn Fletcher wrote:

Good evening my Brothers and Sisters of the Bow, I also wanted to write you to let you know that I have had discussions with many in our community now. It seems there is some ambiguity concerning Equestrian Archery and I want to correct this. So over the next few weeks I will be researching law and policy and also adding a section to our handbook covering requirements for Equestrian archery.

Going forward I know I can say that I will require that any equestrian archer to be a marshal prior to shooting mounted in our Kingdom. With the issues I and others have already witnessed, we need to assure this is a safe activity and those participating have the proper knowledge to safely shoot mounted.

Stay tuned, more to come.

In Service,

Janyn

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