[Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 121, Issue 10

Tue Oct 8 10:59:39 PDT 2013

As one who was smack dab in the middle of the "Ymir Issue" let me say that
for me the issue is done and over with and I'm moving on.  Has it altered my
opinion?  Absolutely.  But that is for me to deal with and I choose to move
on.  I hope everyone else does as well.

cog

From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Fen &
Michelle
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:20 PM
To: Martha Fletcher; archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 121, Issue 10

I agree entirely with Her Excellency, except in one regard. Of the top of my
head, I can recall three experiences where Atlantia just screwed over the
archery community. Won't go into details on all of them on a public page,
but just one example: one of our Archery MICs was publicly slandered across
multiple elists by a Knight. His baronage lied to Crown and swept it under
the rug and his peers all looked the other way. She's been left to twist in
the wind with not even a mention by Altlantia's leadership.

Maybe its no big deal to some of you, and a few may faint over "drama". But
this woman has spent the last 15 years tirelessly running archery practices
and introducing newcomers into the SCA. She's the reason I am a member. And
I can't go to Court anymore because VIPs will stand up and talk about Honor
and Courtesy and all I'll be able to think of is how they simply ignored
what was done to her. One of my goals was to become a Yellow Scarf in
Rapier, but I how can I take an Oath of Loyalty to Atlantia and its Crown
when they all just look the other way? 

And thats just one of three, I'm sure most of us have similar experiences.

So yes, there is alot more we could be doing, but the kindgom needs to meet
us halfway. Otherwise, I'm cool just hanging on the range and shooting with
my buds, I can easily choose to no longer care about all the other stuff.

Sorry, I kept my mouth shut during the Ymir nonsense, but this really needed
to be said. 

Cheers
Fen

Atlantian Archery. Nothing exists within 100 yards without our permission.

On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:55 AM, Martha Fletcher
<mistress.martelvonc at gmail.com> wrote:

Fellow archers, 

I agree with Lord Janyn. I love Atlantian archery and the archery community
immensely. You are all good friends and offer good times. You are welcoming
and generous to all who show interest in archery. You give of your time, and
even your own equipment, in order that someone else can find the joy and
sense of accomplishment archery is famous for.

I would advise gently (or not) that we not take offense when none is meant. 

In my experience in the SCA "snubbing" an entire activity population just
does not happen. Be it not being mentioned in court, or being included in
event activities, or having our friends recognised by the Crown. I still
occasionally hear "they are against us" or "they just don't like archers".
It  is not helpful, nor is it true. 

I offer my advice for you to take or not at your pleasure.....  

1) If we wish our members to be recognised in any way then the onus falls on
US, to write detailed and thoughtful letters of recommendation to the Crown,
to our local Baroncy, AND to the Orders. If you are ALREADY a member of an
Order then you need to PARTICIPATE in Order discussions and lists to support
those you feel are worthy. I know that some of you already do this and you
appreciate the power of your written words and interest to catch the ears of
those who can act.

2) We must stop being adversarial when an issue arises. Insulting messages,
misplaced outrage, demanding requests, to online lists don't serve us in our
modern jobs, and as you have found, do not serve us in the SCA. If we
perceive an issue we should be talking RESPECTFULLY, DIRECTLY, and most of
all PRIVATELY to the Deputy Earl Marshal of Archery or the Event Autocrat.
As they say: Follow CHAIN OF COMMAND. You'll find problems are solved more
quickly and effectively with none of the drama.

3) Being missed in Court: For those who wonder why we are "ignored" in
court, If you aren't familiar with Court organization it is not the Baroncy,
or the Crown, or the Court Herald, or even the autocrat, to KNOW someone
needs time in Court. It is our responsibility to approach the Court Herald
EARLY in the day to ask for court time. Even then sometimes we are told we
cannot have much time for our court business due to the large amount of
official business be conducted. So scrolls/prizes etc. are given out of
court. We all like to see our friends noted for their accomplishments but
sometimes due to time constraints it's not possible the way we feel it
should be. 

The archery community of Atlantia is pert near the best in the known world.
We have talented archers, course designers, artisans, and organisers. We
have consistently had the ear of the Crown for recognition and support. We
should not squander that hard earned respect.  

yours,

Martelle

> On Oct 7, 2013, at 7:55 PM, "Jay Nardone" <jaynardone at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Good evening my Brothers and Sisters of the bow. I just wanted to be
serious for a minute here in the shadow of all of the drama that seems to
surround us. I am proud that our Archery community is so tight and how much
we all watch out for each other. We tease, we laugh, we shoot, we heckle and
most of all we have fun! I know this is why I joined the SCA and as I look
back over the years now I can?t think of many bad times, maybe a few to
count on one hand. I thank you all for this! I was invited into the group, I
had great mentors and I hope I am living up to your expectations since you
all gave me this chance to be DEM. It saddens me to see what is happening
and I hope this all corrects itself in the near future. The way you all step
up to run shoots when they were poorly planned, the way you all are willing
to teach our new comers and support them via loaner gear is astounding! I
heard so many comments I consider ?Bravo Sierra? at Pennsic about liability
and insurance re
 asons for many groups not having loaner gear, it made me sick.
>
> So thank you again for helping me with my job, making sure I don?t miss
things which from time to time I do and for just being great people! The
smiles and fun I get being around you all is priceless and something I
cherish greatly!
>
> Much love to you all!
>
> In Service,
>
> Janyn
>

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