[Archers] Crossbow Triggers - was: Re: Pennsic and Atlantian Archery

Wed Aug 7 05:09:01 PDT 2013

Couldnt agree more! Its funny to watch the guy from the Mid complain and make excuses when it really just comes down to the shooter....:) 

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From: "Jonathas" <Jonathas at RedFoxDen.org> 
To: archers at atlantia.sca.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 9:45:59 PM 
Subject: Re: [Archers] Crossbow Triggers - was: Re: Pennsic and Atlantian        Archery 

And Atlantia's archers can still shoot circles around the vast majority of those crossbows! (And I mean all of our archers not just or crossbows)   If it is a crutch they need let them have it, we'll show them how the game *can* be played and still out score them!  

In years past I've had the displeasure of shooting with several of them, and having to listen to them boast, prance, and preen over there crossbow vs the one I carried.  In the end I was ok with that, as time and again I and whom ever I was with out scored them.  I still remember one timed end up at the old range where the Mid team forced the marshal to have me reshoot as "the prerecorded timer HAD to have malfunctioned, since I got off too many arrows", not being one to back down from a challenge I reshoot and put even more in the target. The bows they use may be good, but that only helps in the hands of a skilled archer. 

No point in letting it bring us down, be proud of the game and how we choose to play it, 'cause we have fun and look good to boot! 

Enjoy the fun we have, and let it infect those around you. 
Jonathas 

On Aug 6, 2013 6:38 PM, "Jay Nardone" < jaynardone at comcast.net > wrote: 

I have seen 1400 documentation that shows a dip in the stock much like a gun grip dips where the trigger is. It was very crude and nothing like the modern ones we see at Pennsic. These are models that Baron Mors makes. Those bows at Pennsic are all machined aluminum main bodies and hardly the spirit of the game that we play. 

Janyn 

-----Original Message----- 
From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org [mailto: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org ] On Behalf Of John Atkins 
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 9:13 PM 
To: 'Janyn Fletcher'; 'Siegfried'; archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org 
Subject: Re: [Archers] Crossbow Triggers - was: Re: Pennsic and Atlantian Archery 

My beef with the modern type crossbows seen at Pennsic is just that, they look modern.  Rifle stocks, triggers, rear sights with tons of colored tape markings.  It just doesn't seem to  fit the spirit of what we are trying to do.  I've seen real period crossbows in the armor museums of Europe.  I have yet to see one looking even remotely like a rifle stock with trigger and rear sights.  That's just me. 

cog 

-----Original Message----- 
From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org [mailto: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org ] On Behalf Of Janyn Fletcher 
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 7:51 PM 
To: 'Siegfried'; archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org 
Subject: Re: [Archers] Crossbow Triggers - was: Re: Pennsic and Atlantian Archery 

Master Siegfried, thank you. I couldn’t agree more. I never understood how using a rear site would make that distinction as well. 

In Service, 

Janyn 

-----Original Message----- 
From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org [mailto: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org ] On Behalf Of Siegfried 
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 3:49 PM 
To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org 
Subject: [Archers] Crossbow Triggers - was: Re: Pennsic and Atlantian Archery 

> 3.       The question was raised to me by a few people about a rule in 
> Atlantia about crossbows with “triggers.” I think there is confusion 
> about this because of the modern crossbows we typically see at Pennsic 
> and not in our own Kingdom. There is no rule stating that crossbows 
> with triggers are illegal or classified in the open class. As I 
> pointed out, all of our crossbows have a trigger mechanism to 
> function, this is nothing new. The discerning part of a crossbow that 
> puts it into the “open” class Vs. period would be the use of a rear 
> site. We do not allow modern crossbows, split prods or strings that 
> “float” above the tray of the bow. These are not consistent with 
> “spirit of the game” and our thoughts. 

As someone who placed the 'no modern rifle-stock or pistol grip crossbows' rule into our ruleset many years ago: 

Correct, there is nothing meant to ban crossbows with triggers.  As in fact, 'modern looking triggers', were used in period. (16th century), but also even earlier in China. 

The ban was for the 'looks like a duck' obviously modern crossbows, that do nothing to give the medieval feel on our range. 

Siegfried 

PS.  Many 'period style' pistol grips exist, but they look like a period 16th century pistol.  Very different visually to a modern pistol. 

PPS.  I find the whole 'open' vs 'period' classification, that IKAC uses, for crossbows to be very 'awkward'.  Given that really the only 
distinction is having a rear sight.  And rear sites are period.   So how 
is having one, making you 'non-period'?  Bah 

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