[Archers] Known World stuff - follow up

Fri Sep 14 11:48:49 PDT 2012

No complaints, but perhaps concern regarding the other Kingdom
support/ability/standards/intentions (especially with only 7 marshals to
help this year)...other than that, no confusion on my part, Janyn.  As much
as I'd like to shoot the SSB, I do understand the need to and would rather
continue to contribute/marshal if it means SSB continues - and to the
standards we Atlantians have become accustomed to.

YIS,
Saphir

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Jay Nardone <jaynardone at comcast.net> wrote:

> Just would like to add some clarity to the discussion if I may. No where
> along the discussion was it ever mentioned that we not continue to either
> organize and run or support the SSB. My original post was stating that I
> felt it was time for the East or Mid to step up and run it next year as was
> originally discussed when we started this shoot. I wanted to do this for
> two reasons:****
>
> ** **
>
> **1.       **I would like to give our marshal’ and archers a chance to
> actually shoot and enjoy the event for once. Yeah yeah I hear you all that
> we should have plenty of help but we don’t and we didn’t. Once again this
> year the core group of marshal’s including myself where out there all day
> long and didn’t shoot the event. We actually only had 7 marshals from other
> kingdoms volunteer to help us this year. We needed 70+ marshals to fill the
> 2 hour time slots that Baroness Martelle lined up and we had 28 total from
> Atlantia. So no I don’t want to have to ask any of you again unless the
> shoot is in jeopardy of not happening****
>
> **2.       **I wanted to focus my attention on the KWAC as it is going to
> take more than one year to plan, arrange and prepare for. ****
>
> ** **
>
> So yes I fully support SSB continuing but I want one of the other Kingdoms
> to pick it up. As I also stated if I get any feeling that they are not
> interested or going to do a less than stellar job I would ask to pull it
> back to Atlantia. We will see as we get later into the year. Also if we do
> have to take it back again for the 3rd year, I would like to see more
> marshal’s and target builders that have not helped in the past 2 years join
> the team.****
>
> ** **
>
> In Service,****
>
> ** **
>
> Janyn****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org [mailto:
> archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] *On Behalf Of *John Atkins
> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2012 1:46 PM
> *To:* archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Archers] Known World stuff - follow up****
>
> ** **
>
> Having spent my afternoon reading all 1000 plus emails, I am now, mostly,
> up to date on this discussion.  As past SSBs have been a, somewhat, joint
> effort of all kingdoms attending Pennsic, or at least offered to all, I see
> no reason that concept can not be continued.  As for who is the actual lead
> kingdom, I think rotating it is a good idea.  My main caveat to that is
> that the quality as set by Atlantian be maintained.  But if other kingdoms
> are sharing/trading off the actually organization and running there isn't
> much Atlantia can do to enforce quality other than have input.  But advice
> is like.........well we have all heard that comment!  So let us hope that
> Atlantia has set the bar at a level the other kingdoms will strive to at
> least achieve if not excel!****
>
>  ****
>
> As for the KWAC, I see no reason this competition could not be done and
> should not be done in a multi-kingdom mode as well.  The other model for
> this is the Known World Scribal Symposium.  This event rotates around all
> the kingdoms in the SCA.  My lady and I attended one in London, England.
> More recently, it was held right in our backyard in North Carolina.  No
> reason the KWAC could not be done in similar fashion.  If an archer is
> really just dying to prove to the known world they are the best, then they
> travel to where it is being held.  Kinda like Olympic athletes.  You go
> where the competition is.****
>
>  ****
>
> cog****
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org [
> mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org<archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>]
> *On Behalf Of *John Atkins
> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2012 12:47 PM
> *To:* 'Holly Gibbons'; archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Archers] Known World stuff****
>
> Just returning for three weeks out of country, so if this has been covered
> or seems behind the discussion, apologies.****
>
>  ****
>
> I think Atlantia continuing with the St. Sebastian shoot at Pennsic is the
> best idea.  I am one of those archers who could, given a good year, perhaps
> qualify to be on the "Masters Team" but in recent years have chosen to step
> aside and not shoot.  My primary reason for this is twofold.  1 - I do not
> shoot well when we shoot 6 shafts for high accuracy then wait 30 - 45
> minutes or more to shoot the next station.  2 - More often than not the
> shooting stations are not very interesting!  While that may sound harsh,
> about any archery at any event in Atlantia has MUCH more interesting
> shooting stations.  It's my vacation and I would like to be challenged AND
> have fun.  I view the SSB shoot as Atlantia showing the rest of the known
> world how to set up and run an interesting novelty shoot that EVERYONE can
> enjoy.  I realize doing this shoot is a lot of work but hearing the
> comments of those who participate makes it all worth the hassles.  I would
> hope that the other kingdoms are learning from Atlantia how to set up a
> large scale interesting shoot (apologies if that sounds arrogant but
> Atlantia has proven we can do a large scale interesting shoot!).****
>
>  ****
>
> As for "cog's dog and pony show"  (argg!!) my original thought was to
> pattern the shoot after the GET at Gulf Wars.  At that event/war, archers
> qualify on site on the archery range in the days leading up to the GET.
> The GET shoot then represents the "best of the best" who have shot at that
> war and is moved to the main battle field so the populous can watch.  Thus
> using things like RR scores, royal's favorites, or "those that always
> shoot" fall to the wayside and those who have actually shot the best in the
> preceding days at that war are those who qualify.  Running even 100 archers
> through a shoot, even using multiple targets, could be very time
> consuming.  As the idea is to bring archery out of the back 40 located in
> Ohio ( :-)  ) at Pennsic, the shoot has to be coordinated with the battle
> field schedule/usage.  That typically means in the later afternoon and done
> somewhat quickly.****
>
>  ****
>
> So I think the idea of Atlantian maintaining the SSB and continued
> discussion of the Known World Championship is still valid.****
>
>  ****
>
> cog****
>
>
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