[Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 108, Issue 14

Sat Sep 8 04:57:31 PDT 2012

Here here!

Maybe we should take to calling you Odin One-Eye?

barre

On 9/7/2012 11:20 PM, jjfrailey at gmail.com wrote:
> Remember guys Atlantis is a wonderful place to play archery but the east has many great archers and target designers! So it will take a good leader like we have in Janyn and great marshals to pull of a shoot like we have done the last two years. I know they can do it!
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> Seamus McRay (Old one eye)
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> On Sep 7, 2012, at 8:43 PM, archers-request at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org wrote:
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>>    1. Re: Known World Stuff (Jay Nardone)
>>    2. Re: Known World stuff (Fen & Michelle)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 16:30:36 -0400
>> From: "Jay Nardone" <jaynardone at comcast.net>
>> To: <barysears at verizon.net>,    <archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Archers] Known World Stuff
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>> Barre, I would like to see both but hey I'm a nut :P
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>> I know COG suggested Pennsic only because the archers would be already
>> there, trying to get them to come from around the world for a weekend event
>> is probably a non starter. Also we were thinking it was a way to get Archery
>> into the fore-front by having the final shoot out on the Battlefield. Not
>> sure we can even pull this off yet as this is a hurdle we would still need
>> to discuss with the Mayor, etc.I wanted to have it as a separate event, but
>> then we get into the whole location thing, site issues, how many would
>> really travel or would it only be the Kingdoms that are close to Atlantia
>> and so on..This is why I say we are nowhere near being ready to try to pull
>> anything off next year.
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>> If Atlantia is feeling that strongly that we want to host and run another
>> SSB next year, Im sure the others would not give us any issues.
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>> Janyn
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>> From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
>> [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of barysears
>> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 3:22 PM
>> To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
>> Subject: Re: [Archers] Known World Stuff
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>> Sorry!  There is absolutely nothing wrong with St. Sebastian.  It reflects
>> well on the spirit of cooperation that Atlantia can get 140-odd people
>> together for days of fun and totally succeed.
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>> You can't talk about the Champions Shoot at Pennsic without getting into
>> politics.  I know rumors of at least one archer who changed Kingdoms in
>> order to get into the Champions Shoot.  You can't talk about deciding
>> against a Known World shoot at Pennsic without getting into politics, or
>> about archers not taking their gear to Pennsic.  Pennsic is politics and,
>> unfortunately, Atlantia is only an Ally and not a Principal.  It sucks, but
>> Atlantia doesn't get an equal share in the decision-making process.  It
>> would be nice to move beyond the original premise of Mid-Realm vs. East
>> Kingdom, plus Allies, but I don't see it happening.
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>> I really hope that there will be another St. Sebastian shoot next Pennsic
>> and that it will be a 'fun' shoot and not a 'super competitive' shoot. And,
>> I hope that a 'Known World' archery event can be held outside of Pennsic
>> (which, let's face it, holds a patent on 'Known World') that features
>> Atlantian virtues of inclusiveness.
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>> barre
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>> On 9/7/2012 1:35 PM, Holly Gibbons wrote:
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>> Barre, I just have to ask, what is politics here? I see only an honest and
>> open-ended discussion of where we as Atlantian archers want to put in our
>> time and efforts to create known world shoots. Lots of us have worked really
>> hard over the last two years to put on the St. Sebastian's shoots in the
>> name of Atlantia. What politics are you talking about? If you refer to the
>> Pennsic politics of East and Mid - - I see no reason why archers who put on
>> shoots should be "above" politics when it is the part and parcel of our
>> archery experience at Pennsic. Nobody is behaving badly here, just talking.
>> No back-stabbing or plotting, just discussion. What's wrong with that?
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>> Nuala
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>> Original Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2012 10:17:24 -0400
>> From: barysears < <mailto:barysears at verizon.net> barysears at verizon.net>
>> To:  <mailto:archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
>> archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
>> Subject: Re: [Archers] Known World stuff
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>> I would really like to think that, as archers, we could keep politics
>> out of it, but apparently not.
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>> barre
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 17:43:29 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Fen & Michelle <mobishob at yahoo.com>
>> To: Janyn Fletcher <janynfletcher at comcast.net>,
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>> Ah sorry, I see that you've?had it all under control! :)
>> ?
>> "Trust the Captain, trust the crew" - President Bartlet, The West Wing
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>> Fen
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>> Atlantian Archery. Nothing exists within 100 yards without our permission.
>> ?
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>> From: Janyn Fletcher <janynfletcher at comcast.net>
>> To: 'Fen & Michelle' <mobishob at yahoo.com>; 'Siegfried' <siegfried at crossbows.biz>; archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
>> Sent: Friday, September 7, 2012 4:23 PM
>> Subject: RE: [Archers] Known World stuff
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>> Fen, great idea but it is not that simple. I have already discussed ?its their turn? before we left Pennsic. They have quite a few targets we left them now and have seen how we make ours. I know they are capable as we see what Baron Padriag and others come up with for Spring Thynge / swamp thing and GGG. The question is if they are willing to really invest the time like we do. We agreed that we would touch base around the Holidays to see where they stand. If they are going to drop it on the floor, I offered that Atlantia would be willing to entertain running it again. I wanted an out if our crew was tired of doing all the work.
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>> So we will see where it stands in the next few months. I know the Mid program is in disarray because I was told this by their new DEM.
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>> Thanks?
>> ?
>> Janyn
>> ?
>> ?
>> From:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Fen & Michelle
>> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 3:14 PM
>> To: Siegfried; archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
>> Subject: Re: [Archers] Known World stuff
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>> So more likely than not, Atlantia will be supporting the East next year.
>> ?
>> What if we appoint some kind of Liaison to help turnover the shoot to them?? Everything from advice on lessons learned from our last two hostings... maintaining the intent and integrity of the shoot...?to maybe providing 1 or 2 targets to bolster the?course??Because we will likely be?helping them run the shoot anyway.
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>> And?a similar?but lesser approach?if the Mid takes the shoot.?
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>> We want?St Sebastian's?to?be flourishing when its our turn to run it again?in a few?years.????
>> ?
>> Fen
>> ?
>> Atlantian Archery. Nothing exists within 100 yards without our permission.
>> ?
>> ?
>> From:Siegfried <siegfried at crossbows.biz>
>> To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
>> Sent: Friday, September 7, 2012 2:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Archers] Known World stuff
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>> Nope, that was a 1-time thing as I understand it.
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>> The 'hope', which I got from talking with a few people helping to
>> organize future Pennsics ... is just a hope that this might happen from
>> 'time to time'.? Perhaps every 3rd year.
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>> Though nothing is written in stone until the next Pennsic is negotiated.
>>
>> Siegfried
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>> On 9/7/12 2:39 PM, Fen & Michelle wrote:
>>> Quick question:
>>> ?
>>> Is East/Mid VS Atlantia/AEthelmarc going to be the new "normal" at
>>> Pennsic for the next several years?
>>> ?
>>> Fen
>>> ?
>>> Atlantian Archery. Nothing exists within 100 yards without our permission.
>>> ?
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