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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Barre, I would like to see both but hey I’m a nut :P <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I know COG suggested Pennsic only because the archers would be already there, trying to get them to come from around the world for a weekend event is probably a non starter. Also we were thinking it was a way to get Archery into the fore-front by having the final shoot out on the Battlefield. Not sure we can even pull this off yet as this is a hurdle we would still need to discuss with the Mayor, etc…I wanted to have it as a separate event, but then we get into the whole location thing, site issues, how many would really travel or would it only be the Kingdoms that are close to Atlantia and so on….This is why I say we are nowhere near being ready to try to pull anything off next year. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If Atlantia is feeling that strongly that we want to host and run another SSB next year, Im sure the others would not give us any issues.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Janyn<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org [mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>barysears<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 07, 2012 3:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archers] Known World Stuff<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Sorry! There is absolutely nothing wrong with St. Sebastian. It reflects well on the spirit of cooperation that Atlantia can get 140-odd people together for days of fun and totally succeed. <br><br>You can't talk about the Champions Shoot at Pennsic without getting into politics. I know rumors of at least one archer who changed Kingdoms in order to get into the Champions Shoot. You can't talk about deciding against a Known World shoot at Pennsic without getting into politics, or about archers not taking their gear to Pennsic. Pennsic is politics and, unfortunately, Atlantia is only an Ally and not a Principal. It sucks, but Atlantia doesn't get an equal share in the decision-making process. It would be nice to move beyond the original premise of Mid-Realm vs. East Kingdom, plus Allies, but I don't see it happening. <br><br>I really hope that there will be another St. Sebastian shoot next Pennsic and that it will be a 'fun' shoot and not a 'super competitive' shoot. And, I hope that a 'Known World' archery event can be held outside of Pennsic (which, let's face it, holds a patent on 'Known World') that features Atlantian virtues of inclusiveness.<br><br>barre<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 9/7/2012 1:35 PM, Holly Gibbons wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif"'>Barre, I just have to ask, what is politics here? I see only an honest and open-ended discussion of where we as Atlantian archers want to put in our time and efforts to create known world shoots. Lots of us have worked really hard over the last two years to put on the St. Sebastian's shoots in the name of Atlantia. What politics are you talking about? If you refer to the Pennsic politics of East and Mid - - I see no reason why archers who put on shoots should be "above" politics when it is the part and parcel of our archery experience at Pennsic. Nobody is behaving badly here, just talking. No back-stabbing or plotting, just discussion. What's wrong with that?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif"'>Nuala<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif"'>Original Message: 2<br>Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2012 10:17:24 -0400<br>From: barysears <<a href="mailto:barysears@verizon.net"><span style='color:#0066CC'>barysears@verizon.net</span></a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org"><span style='color:#0066CC'>archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</span></a><br>Subject: Re: [Archers] Known World stuff<br><br>I would really like to think that, as archers, we could keep politics <br>out of it, but apparently not.<br><br>barre<br> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Archers mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org">http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>