[Archers] Youth Target Archery Marshal Program

jaynardone at comcast.net jaynardone at comcast.net
Mon Nov 19 11:13:19 PST 2012 


Oh yeah, this scares the hell out me! In Maryland if you simply touch a childs shoulder even with their parents present, it can be considered assault! We will have to spread the word to be cautious.... 



:) 





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From: loreleielkins at aol.com 
To: siegfried at crossbows.biz, archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:12:53 PM 
Subject: Re: [Archers] Youth Target Archery Marshal Program 

And, it gets tricky.  This past WoW, I had a LOT of kids on the range.  I gave two of them permission to be there without their parents, BUT, the other kids and parents wanted to know why it was okay for those kids and not for theirs.  It ended up being a pain in the butt and I had to toss one kid off the range, and her mom came to me with "issues".  Oi! 


:-)  Be aware, be cautious, be careful. 


L 



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From: Siegfried <siegfried at crossbows.biz> 
To: archers <archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org> 
Sent: Mon, Nov 19, 2012 1:02 pm 
Subject: Re: [Archers] Youth Target Archery Marshal Program 


Just to clarify here because Cameron's statement, perhaps, points to a
different understanding of Janyn's statement.

The age that was lowered, was for a Youth to become a Marshal.   It has
nothing to do with 'being on the range'.

A youth at any age (7, 3, heck 6 months), can be on the age and shooting
as long as a marshal feels safe about it.  And that can be with, or
without, their parents being present.  Again, it's all a judgement call
of the marshal.

I've known 5 year olds who I trust on the range without their parents.
And I've known 15 year olds, who I want their parent standing right next
to them.

Siegfried



On 11/19/12 10:02 AM, Cameron deGrey wrote:
> Agreed! 'Ours' isn't a parenting issue, but a marshaling duty. 'Our'
> lowering the age doesn't allow the parents/guardians to abdicate their
> responsibility, it just means we can get them on the range. SCA lawas
> already deal with minors being alone on site.
> 
> Good move.
> 
> YIS
> 
> Cameron
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 8:37 AM, < jaynardone at comcast.net > < mailto:jaynardone at comcast.net >> wrote:
> 
>     Good morning everyone, after consultation and discussions with the
>     EM and the King, I was granted permission to lower the minimum age
>     for our Youth Target Archery program from the current 15 years old,
>     to 13 years old. I know there was discussion in the past about this
>     minimum age and this was why it was set to 15. My obserevations this
>     year show that we have had no one in the program as of yet and I
>     feel it is because the age range is set too high. With that small of
>     a window, many youth are leaving the SCA to do real life activities
>     as their lives become more busy. I strongly feel that widening the
>     window gives us more chance to work with and possibly retain some of
>     our youth. I have worked with 2 youth this year that are 13 and I
>     know of a few other marshals that have approached me with youth in
>     their care that are also 13 or so that would make wonderful candidates.
> 
>      
> 
>     I dont think any of us want this to turn into a babysitting service
>     or select youth that are not mature enough. This is where the
>     sponsoring marshal comes into play. Those youth nominations will be
>     based on your judgement of their maturity and character. As these
>     youth will never be on the range alone anyway, I dont see any issues
>     going forward. I think this is an important program to assure that
>     our ranks are filled with the best Atlantia can provide. Afterall,
>     the youth are our future!
> 
>      
> 
>     In Service,
> 
>      
> 
>     Janyn
> 
>      
> 
> 
>      
> 
> 
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:-)  Be aware, be cautious, be careful. 


L 



-----Original Message----- 
From: Siegfried <siegfried at crossbows.biz> 
To: archers <archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org> 
Sent: Mon, Nov 19, 2012 1:02 pm 
Subject: Re: [Archers] Youth Target Archery Marshal Program 


Just to clarify here because Cameron's statement, perhaps, points to a
different understanding of Janyn's statement.

The age that was lowered, was for a Youth to become a Marshal.   It has
nothing to do with 'being on the range'.

A youth at any age (7, 3, heck 6 months), can be on the age and shooting
as long as a marshal feels safe about it.  And that can be with, or
without, their parents being present.  Again, it's all a judgement call
of the marshal.

I've known 5 year olds who I trust on the range without their parents.
And I've known 15 year olds, who I want their parent standing right next
to them.

Siegfried



On 11/19/12 10:02 AM, Cameron deGrey wrote:
> Agreed! 'Ours' isn't a parenting issue, but a marshaling duty. 'Our'
> lowering the age doesn't allow the parents/guardians to abdicate their
> responsibility, it just means we can get them on the range. SCA lawas
> already deal with minors being alone on site.
> 
> Good move.
> 
> YIS
> 
> Cameron
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 8:37 AM, < jaynardone at comcast.net > < mailto:jaynardone at comcast.net >> wrote:
> 
>     Good morning everyone, after consultation and discussions with the
>     EM and the King, I was granted permission to lower the minimum age
>     for our Youth Target Archery program from the current 15 years old,
>     to 13 years old. I know there was discussion in the past about this
>     minimum age and this was why it was set to 15. My obserevations this
>     year show that we have had no one in the program as of yet and I
>     feel it is because the age range is set too high. With that small of
>     a window, many youth are leaving the SCA to do real life activities
>     as their lives become more busy. I strongly feel that widening the
>     window gives us more chance to work with and possibly retain some of
>     our youth. I have worked with 2 youth this year that are 13 and I
>     know of a few other marshals that have approached me with youth in
>     their care that are also 13 or so that would make wonderful candidates.
> 
>      
> 
>     I dont think any of us want this to turn into a babysitting service
>     or select youth that are not mature enough. This is where the
>     sponsoring marshal comes into play. Those youth nominations will be
>     based on your judgement of their maturity and character. As these
>     youth will never be on the range alone anyway, I dont see any issues
>     going forward. I think this is an important program to assure that
>     our ranks are filled with the best Atlantia can provide. Afterall,
>     the youth are our future!
> 
>      
> 
>     In Service,
> 
>      
> 
>     Janyn
> 
>      
> 
> 
>      
> 
> 
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