[Archers] Lochmere Arrow – Rules Draft

Tue May 15 20:24:00 PDT 2012

Karl, spoken like a true champion! Unfortunately Seamus and I have decided that we will not shoot to defend the arrow again this year. We have heard a few comments and I think I can speak for both of us that we would not want to do anything that would suggest we were not being honorable. You know I’m attached to shamless’s hip err I mean  Seamus  so I have to watch my reputation as it is J In all honesty, we just don’t feel right doing it although I will prophetically say that I don’t think either one of us gained anything from being the designers of the targets. Most of them I did not even see until the day of the shoot and considering the site was not even the same size or layout we were thinking of, things changed drastically. I will be MIC for the event so it precludes me from shooting in it anyway.

For my two cents I would like to see us all come to some agreement on some basic rules. I do not want to see this turn back into royal rounds, how boring? The fun I think for most of us has been the varying styles of each group and the ever changing target selection and course of fire. I would hate to see that creativeness squashed in any way. But, I do think we need to have a set of basic rules that we can all follow to keep things in check. A good example was the issue last year with the weather, would be good to set the ground rules and go from there.

In Service,

Janyn

From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Charles Sprouse
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 10:27 PM
To: Siegfried; Jamie Frailey
Cc: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [Archers] Lochmere Arrow – Rules Draft

As usual for him, I think Siegfried has a very astute and absolutely correct grasp on things.  I agree 110% that it should retain at least most of it's 'evolving' aspect, and the idea that I have heard a few, and only a few, people say that it is somehow unfair for the current winners to compete is total hogwash.  The competition against the current champions to win it from them is what I love so much about this event personally.  And besides, if the other archers actually believed that the current champions would resort to those tactics just to keep the title, than they simply would not go shoot, or at the very least they're feelings would be made known and words would be had (this is Atlantia after all, bent feelings never stay secret long).  Anyway, just my 2 cents, I like how it is and look forward greatly to shooting against Seamus and Janyn this fall in another amazing shoot.

Karl

From: Siegfried <siegfried at crossbows.biz>
To: Jamie Frailey <jamie at designbyfive.com> 
Cc: "archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" <archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Archers] Lochmere Arrow – Rules Draft

As a general statement, the Lochmere Arrow has been a 'living shoot', that has changed over time to match the 'state of archery' at that time.  Moving from a B&B shoot, to a 'chosen Baronial team' shoot, to a 'any group but only 1 team' shoot, to the more inclusive shoot it is today.    It also started as just a Royal Round, and now is completely focused on 'fun'/'roving range' shoots.

To that end, I (personally) wouldn't like to see the rules for it codified, for I feel that doing so would actually lose some of the sparkle that is what the shoot is and has become, and what it might become in the future.

However, there are some 'traditions' that have been upheld over the last, let's say, 15 years or so of the competition at least ...

So, to answer Seamus' statements, in line with 'the tradition', I would say:

The Lochmere Arrow is a competition between the Baronies/Shires/ Cantons of Atlantia.

Correct, though one might better just say 'The Local Groups' of Atlantia.  For one could see a College, or an incipient group, or a stronghold, or, any other group type compete that might exist now, or in the future, in ATalntia

Teams of 2 members compete together (and all the stations are designed 
around a concept of a team shooting together). (ARE there any limitations on target designs?)

I wouldn't say that there are any limitations.   Traditionally there have been a small-set number of targets, to keep the shooting possible even if dozens of teams show up.

And given that the targets are designed for a 'team of 2' to shoot, they are usually (or best perhaps) designed to be 'fun to watch' as well.

To that same end, since the shoot is the one dedicated 'team shoot' that we do.  The best years are those where all (or as many as possible) of the shoots actually take team shooting and team strategy into account.   Targets that require both shooting at the same time, or making decisions as to who shoots each target.  Playing follow the leader, etc.

To actually WIN the coveted Arrow for your Group, both members of the 

team must be from the same local group, and only Atlantian groups may win.

Actually for a number of years we had some teams from Sylvan Glen shooting, and at the time we were *shrug* "Sure why not?"   We figured that as long as they were willing to host the shoot, should they win it.   What was the harm.   Afterall, what Atlantian would DARE let another group from out of Kingdom win.  The shame!

So dunno if we ever put a strong BUT NO YOU CAN'T WIN on non-atlantian groups, but it's also not really been a problem.  IE,   No 'ringer teams' from other kingdoms have travelled for days to come and 'take it'.

CAN: Winners can or cannot shoot this competition in consecutive years? Or the Designers of the competition cannot compete for the Lochmere arrow.

Actually, on that one there's been a very strong tradition of the winners are the designers, and they compete for it to retain the arrow as well.

Honor would dictate that while they are designing the range & setting it up, and therefore COULD have an advantage, that they do anything possible to minimize that.  Such as not preshooting/practicing the course.  Nor designing shoots with tricky yardage and then pacing/measuring it exactly so that they know it.

Society of Honor afterall.   But this is how it's always been done.  (versus the Royal Archer, who instead doesn't ever compete on his/her own shoot)

Each group MAY provide more than one team if they wish, as many as you wish.

Yup, for many MANY years now  (As we changed that when we started getting enough archers in Atlantia to field 10 teams from a single group)

Mixed teams, and teams from outside of Atlantia are allowed to compete, 
have fun, and a prize will be provided for the best non-able-to-win team score.

Dunno about that.  I mean, it's NICE if there's a best non-able-to-win team prize.  But dunno if we've ever 'required that there be one'.   But yes, we'd allowed people to form mixed teams just to make sure that everyone got to shoot the range.

Should it be a (1) Bow competition?

Per Atlantian tradition, (See Marshal's Handbook), no it shouldn't, unless the designer/runner of that particular shoot choose to make it a 1 bow competition, in which case that's their choice for that time, but it should be announced well in advance.

My 2 cents,

Siegfried

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