[Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 101, Issue 16

[John Atkins]

I don't know that a fourth peerage including archers really makes archers
"part of chivalry".  Are laurels and pelicans part of chiv?  "I stab you
with my knitting needle!"  Peerage to me simply means that an individual has
reached the highest possible level of their craft within the SCA.  Sad to
say, but I know of "knights" who don't even have a defined persona, but they
sure fight well....  To me, peers are individuals that represent what we
should all be striving to achieve in this game.  Sadly, not all peers fit
that model.

 

The other and perhaps main factor against a fourth peerage is the obvious,
the SCA is run by the Chivalry.  Our system of selecting kings proves the
point.  Historically this is NOT always how kings were selected.  Yes, yes,
heritage, but also the individual who was the best leader and organizer and
commanded loyalty became the king.  The Mongols are an example culture and
look what they accomplished.  But in the SCA only a heavy fighter, and often
only one who is a knight, sits the throne.  I have had many discussions with
heavies, not just members of the chiv, about the animosity against archers.
I understand their point of view.  Archers take people out at distance and
the heavy "never even gets to hit them".  They don't like that.  Most
heavies think being able to hit a 4 inch target at 20 , 30, 40 yards or more
is easy.  We archers know the truth of that.  But the perception is that
when you are too old to fight heavy, you take up archery.  The perception
that archery was NEVER done by nobles in period also exists, wrong, but
exists.

 

Thus the deck is stacked against archers ever having their own peerage or
being "equals" with the chiv based on stupidity, ignorance of history, and
bias.  But, as evidenced by Janyn recently and Lorelei in the past, as well
as many others on this list, could an archer not be recognized for their
"art form" by being elevated to a laurel?  Let's be honest, most archers who
we all look up to make a lot of their own gear and do a beautiful job of it
and can talk for hours about the history of their craft.  Are these not
attributes of a laurel?  Archers come much closer to sheep-to-shawl than
most laurels have.

 

Just my two cents worth,

cog

 

From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Jamie
Frailey
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 10:03 AM
To: loreleielkins at aol.com
Cc: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 101, Issue 16

 

I think the problem with archers is that the Chiv does consider archery a
chivalric weapons form. I think if you break it down one can see that might
be true since there is no close engagement. But archers behavior and the
investment in our discipline certainly is chivalric.

 

 

On Feb 15, 2012, at 6:27 AM, loreleielkins at aol.com wrote:





I think that one of the issues was the the Chiv was so unitedly opposed to
including archers included in a 4th peerage.  :-)  I guess we scare them.
But, draw your own conclusions.  The survey and results are posted at
<http://www.sca.org> www.sca.org.  It is an interesting read. 

 

Lorelei

 

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From: Janyn Fletcher < <mailto:janynfletcher at comcast.net>
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jamie < <mailto:jamie at designbyfive.com> jamie at designbyfive.com>; archers <
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Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 8:45 pm
Subject: RE: [Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 101, Issue 16

Sent mine a few minutes ago. I had heard at Pennsic that the positive
responses were less than 50% and maybe this is why they are asking for more
support? This confuses me because I could not imagine any active and
involved archers not supporting this??? Lorelei is right, now is the time to
be heard. Take a minute and send your thoughts in.

 

YIS, Janyn

 

 

 

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Jamie Frailey

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