[Archers] Atl Atl Rules
barysears
barysears at verizon.net
Mon Dec 10 15:53:40 PST 2012
My 2 cents worth:
I really think 5 darts in 30 seconds is asking too much. Of course, I
still can't shoot 5 arrows in 30 seconds in my rolling nut crossbow.
I haven't seen anyone toss a dart 100 yards. I think Reyne has the
record in Bright Hills and she used to be trained in the javelin.
Franky, my shoulder aches just thinking about 40 yards.I don;t want to
lose out because I'm not strong enough. Even with a 30 lb. bow I'd
still have a chance.
One point that hasn't been brought up - the atlatl itself. There seem
to be three varieties - a trainer version in which the dart is held on
by jamming the dart in a notch; the regular atlatl in which a finger
holds the dart in place, and one I haven't actually seen in person, a
really whippy atlatl that could have a weight to give it more 'whip'.
Are they all legal?
I guess while I'm at it, do we want standards for darts? River reed vs.
solid shaft? What about length of shaft - shorter shafts are easier to
through but longer shafts may go further.
barre
On 12/10/2012 3:33 PM, Jay Nardone wrote:
>
> This is a great discussion and I thank you all for it. Please keep it
> up. So for now it sounds like we are agreeing on a few things:
>
> 1.Using a bigger "FITA" style target vise the Royal round target
>
> 2.Ranges should be a bit shorter than archery ranges (maybe 15,25,35?
> Or some derivative?)
>
> 3.5 Darts per end will be used (just to be different?)
>
> 4.Decision still out on timed rounds?
>
> 5.Use of a "10" ring for bullseye
>
> In Service,
>
> Janyn
>
> *From:*archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] *On Behalf Of
> *deedee Mail
> *Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2012 9:24 AM
> *To:* Groff, Garth (ggg9y)
> *Cc:* archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Archers] Atl Atl Rules
>
> Mungo,
>
> The possible range for an atlatl sooooo exceeds the TW range, that it is
>
> a no-go. The TW farthest targets (and these are rarely used) are 30
> FEET!!
>
> The atlatl has a 200+ YARD capability (okay, I have yet to see a throw
> over
>
> 100 yards, but still.... :)). We've been through this discussion many
> times, before,
>
> and the archery range has always been determined to be the most
> appropriate.
>
> Siegfried,
>
> The main problem I see with your suggestion is that most people don't tend
>
> to have 6 darts.
>
> Dealla
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2012, at 8:00 AM, "Groff, Garth (ggg9y)"
> <ggg9y at virginia.edu <mailto:ggg9y at virginia.edu>> wrote:
>
> Noble Friends,
>
> We used to have atlatls occasionally on the practice range in
> Isenfir (when we still had a range). Since we had room for only
> one target and shooting line, the atlatl throwers shared the
> archery line. I preferred for them to throw first, in case they
> actually hit the target, their darts wouldn't crush somebody's
> arrows (for the same reason I always invited crossbow shooters to
> go first). Throwing at 20-30-40 yards was quite impractical.
>
> Atlatl throwers really deserve their own range at distances
> appropriate to their weapons, and where they can throw at a pace
> that doesn't disrupt the archery. While I have no problem with
> atlatls, they are probably better suited to a thrown weapons range.
>
> Yours Aye,
>
> Mungo
>
> *_From:_*_archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> <mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
> [mailto:archers-bounces at seahor_se.atlantia.sca.org
> <http://se.atlantia.sca.org>] *On Behalf Of *Jay Nardone
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 09, 2012 8:45 PM
> *To:* archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> <mailto:archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
> *Subject:* [Archers] Atl Atl Rules
>
> Good evening everyone, I know I should have my head examined but I
> would be scared of what they find! If you ever have seen me
> attempt an Atl Atl you would know they aren't my favorite
> but.....Last year or so I know Lorelei got the ball rolling with
> trying to establish some Royal Round rules for Atl Atl and I think
> it is that time once again. We need to complete the discussion and
> planning so we can move forward with this and get something in
> place governing Atl Atl in our Kingdom. So let's start the
> discussions once again, and please just keep in mind this is a
> discussion and one's opinion is not any better than another's.
> When we get close to a final solution I will officiate the vote
> to move forward. I went back in my archives and this seems to be
> the last email I had on the subject, it came from Lord Jonathan:
>
> I would like to add my thoughts to the debate.
>
> The current Atlantian rules for Atlatl are based on an archery
> mind set.
>
> People who can only count to 5, and need colors to help! In the
> mundane world of Atlatl hurlers, they can count to 10; however,
> they have to start at 6. Don't ask where 1 through 5 went. But
> at least they can do it in black and white. Please see the
> attached image of their official atlatl target. The target looks
> to be 100cm in diameter.
>
> My research has uncovered the distances at which they throw and
> the number of darts at each distance vary somewhat by club. The
> closest is
>
> 6 meters and the furthest is 25 meters. The total number of darts
> in an official round appears to be 10, either two stations of 5
> darts each, or
>
> 5 stations with 2 darts each.
>
> The current Atlantian throwing distances are 20, 30 and 40 yards.
> Since we in the SCA try to have fun, anything past 20 yards for a
> 60sm target does not meet that standard.
>
> I propose the following:
>
> Target: standard Royal Round 60cm 5 color target.
>
> Distances: 10 yards, 15 yards, and 20 yards Number of darts at
> each distance: 3 Highest possible score is 45.
>
> Jonathan
>
> In Service,
>
> Janyn
>
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