[Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins and Bamboo Shafts

Wed Mar 16 15:02:40 PDT 2011

If you're serious about shooting bamboo, checkout the auctions on Ebay, I
forget his name but the guy from China sells a ton of it and it is decent
bamboo. You can get him to spine it and weight match the bundle as well....

Janyn

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Singleton
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Subject: Re: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins and Bamboo Shafts

Thank you very much everyone. As stated I don't know much about bamboo 

but was going off some stuff I had read, and decided to ask here and got the
info I was looking for.
I did check out the bamboo shafts 3rivers offers and it had said they need
to be oiled.
Though it sounds like the rivercain might be the easier route since it
doesn't need the oiling and such.

Interesting info on the competition Lorelei I shall have to pass that info
on to Lord Alric as well.
Maybe I can talk him into us attending the event and him entering the
competition!

Lady Magdalen Woderose

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Today's Topics:

   1.  Legality of large bodkins (loreleielkins at aol.com)
   2. on bodkins and bamboo shafts (Mike Matthews)
   3. speaking of arrows.... (loreleielkins at aol.com)
   4. Re: Archers Digest, Vol 90, Issue 12 (Mike Matthews)
   5. Re: Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins and Bamboo Shafts
      (Greg Christensen)
   6. Re: Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins (Gordon Kinnie)
   7. Re: Archers Digest, Vol 90, Issue 12 (Jay Nardone)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:45:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: loreleielkins at aol.com
To: archers at atlantia.sca.org
Subject: [Archers]  Legality of large bodkins
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The atlatl dart tips are a bit bigger than arrow tips, but not by a whole
bunch. Their shape makes them not much of a problem.  What makes the tips
Lord Mungo is talking about, beat up the target is the size but also the
shape of the point.  Take a look at www.threeriversarchery.com.  

Yes, bamboo shafts are period. They don't splinter any more than regular
shafts and are nice in accommodating the longer draw lengths some of our
archers have.

Lorelei

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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:46:41 -0400
From: Mike Matthews <michaelstuart at gmail.com>
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Subject: [Archers] on bodkins and bamboo shafts
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I have been using the 190 grain bodkin points I picked up a year or
two back at SAAD (or maybe it was Assessments, I forget which). I
believe these are the same ones sold as 'long bodkin points' by 3
rivers. They can tear up the legs on wooden target stands a bit but I
have not noticed any additional damage to the target face itself. They
do drop like a log beyond 30 yards, probably also due to the heavy
barrel tapered 3/8" hickory shafts I mounted them on. But I would not
suggest they should not be used, as I have not seen them to cause any
additional target damage.

I also have shot rivercane arrows on and off for a few years and these
are very similar to bamboo. They do not like to hit trees (but whose
arrows do?) and they will shatter in that case, just as my regular
cedar shafts do. The rivercane shafts do not need to be oiled; in fact
they don't even need varnish or paint like wood shafts do, because
they have a naturally shiny and water-resistant surface similar to
bamboo. Society target archery rules say "All shafts shall be of wood
or of bamboo-like materials" so I believe bamboo clearly is
acceptable.

in Service,

Ld. Eirik Gralokkr

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> Greetings fellow archers,
> I must admit I would prefer not to have my targets torn up by those tips.
They would do an awful amount of damage.
> I firmly believe they should be left at being decorative and nothing more.
>
> Also is the use of bamboo shafts allowed?
>
> 3Rivers is also offering them now and the question was posed to Lord
Alric.
> Personally I would feel that with bamboo being hallow it would pose a
greater risk of shattering/splintering.
> Not to mention bamboo would take a lot more upkeep such as needing to be
oiled every so often.
> Figured I'd pose the question here as I've not tried using bamboo and
don't know all that much about it.
>
> Does anyone have experience with bamboo?
>
>
> Lady Magdalen Woderose
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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:49:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: loreleielkins at aol.com
To: archers at atlantia.sca.org
Subject: [Archers] speaking of arrows....
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Just a heads up.  I'm sponsoring an A&S competition for Atlantia's 30th in
September.  It will be arrow making, two categories.  First is Best Period
Arrow, second is best Functional but Fanciful Arrow.  The winner of each
will receive a $50 3rivers gift card.  There will be a youth category too,
have to work out the details for that.  

Stay tuned for more information on that.

Lorelei

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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:51:21 -0400
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I must respectfully disagree on this generalization; there are
different varieties of 'cane' and the one I have used is the native
Southeastern river cane. It is nearly though not quite as hard as
bamboo and is far easier to straighten using heat. There is also an
invasive cane species, Arundo donax, that is far softer and less
suitable though some still do use it.

Ld. Eirik Gralokkr

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> The use of bamboo is allowed and poses no greater threat of shattering
than
> any other wood. I know this because I am the Fletcher that built those
> arrows for Godai. He is no longer shooting them not because they are
unsafe
> but through footing more modern wood shafts he can achieve greater
accuracy.
> The important point to note about bamboo is what kind is being used. US
> bamboo should not be used to include river cane. I know the trad world has
> shooters that use it but it tends to be much more soft than the processed
> bamboo we were buying from China. I don't disagree on the points, they
fall
> into the same category that we have been discussing for many years..
>
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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:28:40 -0400
From: Greg Christensen <gcjckc at hotmail.com>
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The other problem with Bodkins of any size is that they will go thru and cut
archery netting, so I don't want to see them when there is netting is
involved.
GREGGE the ARCHER

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To all, 

According to the SCA rules for Target Archery, October 2003....under Arrows
and Bolts
"No broadheads or tips that cause excessive damage to the targets shall be
used, except for special competitions using these heads with the permission
of the Target Archery Marshal-in-charge and the Kingdom Archery Marshal."

I would think that any type of none target point would fall under this
ruling.  

Humble servant  

Lord Godai Katsunaga, Barony of Bright Hills Target Archery Marshal

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Noble friends of the bow,

The question was raised in my recent TA Marshal class about the legality 
of the 3Rivers large bodkins. These are very large, and look like they 
might do a lot of damage to a target. Does anyone have any views on 
these, vis-vis the Society rule against broadheads because of their 
potential to rip up a target?

Kind regards,

Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Target Archery Marshal
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Eirik, okay to disagree, I am no expert on cane and am going on what I know
from talking to folks and looking at their arrows. Do you spine test it
before shooting it?

Janyn

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I must respectfully disagree on this generalization; there are
different varieties of 'cane' and the one I have used is the native
Southeastern river cane. It is nearly though not quite as hard as
bamboo and is far easier to straighten using heat. There is also an
invasive cane species, Arundo donax, that is far softer and less
suitable though some still do use it.

Ld. Eirik Gralokkr

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> The use of bamboo is allowed and poses no greater threat of shattering
than
> any other wood. I know this because I am the Fletcher that built those
> arrows for Godai. He is no longer shooting them not because they are
unsafe
> but through footing more modern wood shafts he can achieve greater
accuracy.
> The important point to note about bamboo is what kind is being used. US
> bamboo should not be used to include river cane. I know the trad world has
> shooters that use it but it tends to be much more soft than the processed
> bamboo we were buying from China. I don't disagree on the points, they
fall
> into the same category that we have been discussing for many years..
>
>
>
> Janyn
>
>
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