[Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins and Bamboo Shafts

Tue Mar 15 13:36:48 PDT 2011

The use of bamboo is allowed and poses no greater threat of shattering than
any other wood. I know this because I am the Fletcher that built those
arrows for Godai. He is no longer shooting them not because they are unsafe
but through footing more modern wood shafts he can achieve greater accuracy.
The important point to note about bamboo is what kind is being used. US
bamboo should not be used to include river cane. I know the trad world has
shooters that use it but it tends to be much more soft than the processed
bamboo we were buying from China. I don't disagree on the points, they fall
into the same category that we have been discussing for many years..

Janyn

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[mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Katherine
Hawkins
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 3:47 PM
To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins and Bamboo Shafts

My friend, Godai Katsunaga, shoots bamboo shafts as he is Japanese.  He has
given some of the cut down shafts to my 12 year old grandson.  They work
wonderfully and do not shatter.  They are a little difficult to grind down
for placing the tips though.  They are period.  I am sure Godai will also
address your concerns when he gets access to the site.

Best regards,

Katarzyna
Lady Katarzyna Witkowska

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filled with joy. 
Buddha 

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From: Christi Singleton <tazzi_693 at yahoo.com>
To: "archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" <archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 2:57:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins and Bamboo Shafts

Greetings fellow archers,

I must admit I would prefer not to have my targets torn up by those tips.
They would do an awful amount of damage.

I firmly believe they should be left at being decorative and nothing more.

Also is the use of bamboo shafts allowed? 

3Rivers is also offering them now and the question was posed to Lord Alric.

Personally I would feel that with bamboo being hallow it would pose a
greater risk of shattering/splintering.

Not to mention bamboo would take a lot more upkeep such as needing to be
oiled every so often.

Figured I'd pose the question here as I've not tried using bamboo and don't
know all that much about it.

Does anyone have experience with bamboo? 

Lady Magdalen Woderose

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bend sinister two roses all counterchanged.

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  1. Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins (Garth G. Groff)
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  3. Re: Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins (Garth G. Groff)
  4. Re: Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins (loreleielkins at aol.com)

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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:44:38 -0400
From: "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y at virginia.edu>
To: Archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins
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Noble friends of the bow,

The question was raised in my recent TA Marshal class about the legality 
of the 3Rivers large bodkins. These are very large, and look like they 
might do a lot of damage to a target. Does anyone have any views on 
these, vis-vis the Society rule against broadheads because of their 
potential to rip up a target?

Kind regards,

Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Target Archery Marshal

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:48:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: loreleielkins at aol.com
To: ggg9y at virginia.edu, Archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins
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Greetings!  Yes, you nailed it.  Target points should be used on archery
targets.  Target backs can be expensive.  Broadheads are meant to penetrate
flesh, not foam.  :-)

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From: Garth G. Groff <ggg9y at virginia.edu>
To: Archers <Archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:45 am
Subject: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins

Noble friends of the bow,Lorelei

The question was raised in my recent TA Marshal class about the legality 
of the 3Rivers large bodkins. These are very large, and look like they 
might do a lot of damage to a target. Does anyone have any views on 
these, vis-vis the Society rule against broadheads because of their 
potential to rip up a target?

Kind regards,

Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Target Archery Marshal
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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:15:08 -0400
From: "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y at virginia.edu>
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Lady Lorelei and friends,

But these are not broadheads, just big bodkins, actually weighing about 
180 grains and about 3/8" across. Some archers might think they are 
legal because they AREN'T broadheads. If somebody shows up with these on 
our range, I am going to take a literal interpretation of the Society 
rule: "No broadheads or tips that cause excessive damage to the targets 
shall be used ...."  3Rivers also sells a smaller version at about 140 
grains which I haven't measured. I think the damage potential would be 
similar.

If anyone just has to shoot traditional arrows, they can still use the 
125-grain Ace faux medieval points or the equivalent that 3Rivers and 
some English vendors offer (so-called "mod-bods"). These have always 
been legal in Atlantia, AFAIK. I can't see why anybody would want to 
shoot such heavy points with our light target bows anyway. Their arrows 
would drop like a stone.

Too bad in a way, because those big bodkins are really cool points. I 
have them on my 3/8" living history arrows, but those shafts are only 
for display and looking cool in my quiver at demonstrations.

Kind regards,

Lord Mungo, Shire of Isenfir TA Marshal

On 3/15/2011 11:48 AM, loreleielkins at aol.com wrote:
> Greetings!  Yes, you nailed it.  Target points should be used on 
> archery targets.  Target backs can be expensive.  Broadheads are meant 
> to penetrate flesh, not foam.  :-)
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Garth G. Groff <ggg9y at virginia.edu>
> To: Archers <Archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
> Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:45 am
> Subject: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins
>
> Noble friends of the bow,Lorelei
>
> The question was raised in my recent TA Marshal class about the legality
> of the 3Rivers large bodkins. These are very large, and look like they
> might do a lot of damage to a target. Does anyone have any views on
> these, vis-vis the Society rule against broadheads because of their
> potential to rip up a target?
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
> Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Target Archery Marshal
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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:05:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: loreleielkins at aol.com
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My mistake Lord Mungo.  I read your message too quickly, I apologize. 

I know the points you are talking about and they do indeed damage the
targets.  This might be one of those, "at the discretion of the MiC", since
it is more than likely the MiC's targets which are being shot up.  While I
agree that they are nice for the period look, I wouldn't encourage their
use, just because they can potentially cause so much damage.  Now if we had
some nice period targets to shoot at.....

Anyone else have thoughts on this?

Lorelei

-----Original Message-----
From: Garth G. Groff <ggg9y at virginia.edu>
To: Archers <Archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:15 am
Subject: Re: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins

              Lady Lorelei and friends,

    But these are not broadheads, just big bodkins, actually weighing
about 180 grains and about 3/8" across. Some archers might think    they are
legal because they AREN'T broadheads. If somebody shows up    with these on
our range, I am going to take a literal interpretation    of the Society
rule: "No broadheads or tips that cause excessive    damage to the targets
shall be used ...."  3Rivers also sells a    smaller version at about 140
grains which I haven't measured. I    think the damage potential would be
similar.

    If anyone just has to shoot traditional arrows, they can still use
the 125-grain Ace faux medieval points or the equivalent that    3Rivers and
some English vendors offer (so-called "mod-bods"). These    have always been
legal in Atlantia, AFAIK. I can't see why anybody    would want to shoot
such heavy points with our light target bows    anyway. Their arrows would
drop like a stone.

    Too bad in a way, because those big bodkins are really cool points.    I
have them on my 3/8" living history arrows, but those shafts are    only for
display and looking cool in my quiver at demonstrations.

    Kind regards,

    Lord Mungo, Shire of Isenfir TA Marshal

    On 3/15/2011 11:48 AM, loreleielkins at aol.com wrote:    
Greetings!  Yes, you          nailed it.  Target points should be used on
archery targets.          Target backs can be expensive.  Broadheads are
meant to          penetrate flesh, not foam.  :-)        

-----Original              Message-----
            From:              Garth G. Groff <ggg9y at virginia.edu>
            To:              Archers <Archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
            Sent:              Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:45 am
            Subject:              [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large
bodkins

Noble friends of the bow,Lorelei

The question was raised in my recent TA Marshal class about the legality 
of the 3Rivers large bodkins. These are very large, and look like they 
might do a lot of damage to a target. Does anyone have any views on 
these, vis-vis the Society rule against broadheads because of their 
potential to rip up a target?

Kind regards,

Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Target Archery Marshal
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