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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The use of bamboo is allowed and poses no greater threat of shattering than any other wood. I know this because I am the Fletcher that built those arrows for Godai. He is no longer shooting them not because they are unsafe but through footing more modern wood shafts he can achieve greater accuracy. The important point to note about bamboo is what kind is being used. US bamboo should not be used to include river cane. I know the trad world has shooters that use it but it tends to be much more soft than the processed bamboo we were buying from China. I don’t disagree on the points, they fall into the same category that we have been discussing for many years….<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Janyn<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org [mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Katherine Hawkins<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 15, 2011 3:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins and Bamboo Shafts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>My friend, Godai Katsunaga, shoots bamboo shafts as he is Japanese. He has given some of the cut down shafts to my 12 year old grandson. They work wonderfully and do not shatter. They are a little difficult to grind down for placing the tips though. They are period. I am sure Godai will also address your concerns when he gets access to the site.<br> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Best regards,<br><br>Katarzyna<br>Lady Katarzyna Witkowska<br><br><em><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Set your heart on doing good. Do it over and over again, and you will be filled with joy. </span></em><i><br></i>Buddha </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Christi Singleton <tazzi_693@yahoo.com><br><b>To:</b> "archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" <archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org><br><b>Sent:</b> Tue, March 15, 2011 2:57:48 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins and Bamboo Shafts</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Greetings fellow archers,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>I must admit I would prefer not to have my targets torn up by those tips. They would do an awful amount of damage.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>I firmly believe they should be left at being decorative and nothing more.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Also is the use of bamboo shafts allowed? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>3Rivers is also offering them now and the question was posed to Lord Alric.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Personally I would feel that with bamboo being hallow it would pose a greater risk of shattering/splintering.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Not to mention bamboo would take a lot more upkeep such as needing to be oiled every so often.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Figured I'd pose the question here as I've not tried using bamboo and don't know all that much about it.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Does anyone have experience with bamboo? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:black'>Lady Magdalen Woderose<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Life is what it is, so do what needs to be done and promptly move on.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><br>Per bend sinister purpure and argent, in bend two unicorns rampant and in bend sinister two roses all counterchanged.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> "archers-request@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" <archers-request@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org><br><b>To:</b> archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 15, 2011 1:19 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Archers Digest, Vol 90, Issue 8<br></span><span style='color:black'><br>Send Archers mailing list submissions to<br> <a href="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org<br><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a href="mailto:archers-request@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">archers-request@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a href="mailto:archers-owner@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">archers-owner@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Archers digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br><br> 1. Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins (Garth G. Groff)<br> 2. Re: Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins (<a href="mailto:loreleielkins@aol.com" target="_blank">loreleielkins@aol.com</a>)<br> 3. Re: Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins (Garth G. Groff)<br> 4. Re: Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins (<a href="mailto:loreleielkins@aol.com" target="_blank">loreleielkins@aol.com</a>)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:44:38 -0400<br>From: "Garth G. Groff" <<a href="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu" target="_blank">ggg9y@virginia.edu</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br>Subject: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:4D7F8966.3050009@virginia.edu" target="_blank">4D7F8966.3050009@virginia.edu</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br><br>Noble friends of the bow,<br><br>The question was raised in my recent TA Marshal class about the legality <br>of the 3Rivers large bodkins. These are very large, and look like they <br>might do a lot of damage to a target. Does anyone have any views on <br>these, vis-vis the Society rule against broadheads because of their <br>potential to rip up a target?<br><br>Kind regards,<br><br><br>Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Target Archery Marshal<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:48:02 -0400 (EDT)<br>From: <a href="mailto:loreleielkins@aol.com" target="_blank">loreleielkins@aol.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu" target="_blank">ggg9y@virginia.edu</a>, <a href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:8CDB13F803558C5-1260-A30B@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com" target="_blank">8CDB13F803558C5-1260-A30B@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>Greetings! Yes, you nailed it. Target points should be used on archery targets. Target backs can be expensive. Broadheads are meant to penetrate flesh, not foam. :-)<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Garth G. Groff <<a href="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu" target="_blank">ggg9y@virginia.edu</a>><br>To: Archers <<a href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a>><br>Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:45 am<br>Subject: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins<br><br><br>Noble friends of the bow,Lorelei<br><br>The question was raised in my recent TA Marshal class about the legality <br>of the 3Rivers large bodkins. These are very large, and look like they <br>might do a lot of damage to a target. Does anyone have any views on <br>these, vis-vis the Society rule against broadheads because of their <br>potential to rip up a target?<br><br>Kind regards,<br><br><br>Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Target Archery Marshal<br>_______________________________________________<br>Archers mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br><a href="http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org</a><br><br><br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/pipermail/archers-atlantia.sca.org/attachments/20110315/b27f19ef/attachment-0001.htm><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:15:08 -0400<br>From: "Garth G. Groff" <<a href="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu" target="_blank">ggg9y@virginia.edu</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:4D7F908C.2040907@virginia.edu" target="_blank">4D7F908C.2040907@virginia.edu</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"<br><br>Lady Lorelei and friends,<br><br>But these are not broadheads, just big bodkins, actually weighing about <br>180 grains and about 3/8" across. Some archers might think they are <br>legal because they AREN'T broadheads. If somebody shows up with these on <br>our range, I am going to take a literal interpretation of the Society <br>rule: "No broadheads or tips that cause excessive damage to the targets <br>shall be used ...." 3Rivers also sells a smaller version at about 140 <br>grains which I haven't measured. I think the damage potential would be <br>similar.<br><br>If anyone just has to shoot traditional arrows, they can still use the <br>125-grain Ace faux medieval points or the equivalent that 3Rivers and <br>some English vendors offer (so-called "mod-bods"). These have always <br>been legal in Atlantia, AFAIK. I can't see why anybody would want to <br>shoot such heavy points with our light target bows anyway. Their arrows <br>would drop like a stone.<br><br>Too bad in a way, because those big bodkins are really cool points. I <br>have them on my 3/8" living history arrows, but those shafts are only <br>for display and looking cool in my quiver at demonstrations.<br><br>Kind regards,<br><br><br>Lord Mungo, Shire of Isenfir TA Marshal<br><br><br><br><br><br>On 3/15/2011 11:48 AM, <a href="mailto:loreleielkins@aol.com" target="_blank">loreleielkins@aol.com</a> wrote:<br>> Greetings! Yes, you nailed it. Target points should be used on <br>> archery targets. Target backs can be expensive. Broadheads are meant <br>> to penetrate flesh, not foam. :-)<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: Garth G. Groff <<a href="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu" target="_blank">ggg9y@virginia.edu</a>><br>> To: Archers <<a href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a>><br>> Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:45 am<br>> Subject: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins<br>><br>> Noble friends of the bow,Lorelei<br>><br>> The question was raised in my recent TA Marshal class about the legality<br>> of the 3Rivers large bodkins. These are very large, and look like they<br>> might do a lot of damage to a target. Does anyone have any views on<br>> these, vis-vis the Society rule against broadheads because of their<br>> potential to rip up a target?<br>><br>> Kind regards,<br>><br>><br>> Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Target Archery Marshal<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Archers mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a>><br>> <a href="http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org</a><br>><br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/pipermail/archers-atlantia.sca.org/attachments/20110315/fa1cc3a6/attachment-0001.htm><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:05:50 -0400 (EDT)<br>From: <a href="mailto:loreleielkins@aol.com" target="_blank">loreleielkins@aol.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu" target="_blank">ggg9y@virginia.edu</a>, <a href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:8CDB14A5E487FB8-CA40-13D5@TSTMAIL-D09.sysops.aol.com" target="_blank">8CDB14A5E487FB8-CA40-13D5@TSTMAIL-D09.sysops.aol.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>My mistake Lord Mungo. I read your message too quickly, I apologize. <br><br><br>I know the points you are talking about and they do indeed damage the targets. This might be one of those, "at the discretion of the MiC", since it is more than likely the MiC's targets which are being shot up. While I agree that they are nice for the period look, I wouldn't encourage their use, just because they can potentially cause so much damage. Now if we had some nice period targets to shoot at.....<br><br><br>Anyone else have thoughts on this?<br><br><br>Lorelei<br><br><br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Garth G. Groff <<a href="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu" target="_blank">ggg9y@virginia.edu</a>><br>To: Archers <<a href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a>><br>Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:15 am<br>Subject: Re: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins<br><br><br> Lady Lorelei and friends,<br> <br> But these are not broadheads, just big bodkins, actually weighing about 180 grains and about 3/8" across. Some archers might think they are legal because they AREN'T broadheads. If somebody shows up with these on our range, I am going to take a literal interpretation of the Society rule: "No broadheads or tips that cause excessive damage to the targets shall be used ...." 3Rivers also sells a smaller version at about 140 grains which I haven't measured. I think the damage potential would be similar.<br> <br> If anyone just has to shoot traditional arrows, they can still use the 125-grain Ace faux medieval points or the equivalent that 3Rivers and some English vendors offer (so-called "mod-bods"). These have always been legal in Atlantia, AFAIK. I can't see why anybody would want to shoot such heavy points with our light target bows anyway. Their arrows would drop like a stone.<br> <br> Too bad in a way, because those big bodkins are really cool points. I have them on my 3/8" living history arrows, but those shafts are only for display and looking cool in my quiver at demonstrations.<br> <br> Kind regards,<br> <br> <br> Lord Mungo, Shire of Isenfir TA Marshal<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> On 3/15/2011 11:48 AM, <a href="mailto:loreleielkins@aol.com" target="_blank">loreleielkins@aol.com</a> wrote: <br>Greetings! Yes, you nailed it. Target points should be used on archery targets. Target backs can be expensive. Broadheads are meant to penetrate flesh, not foam. :-) <br><br> <br> <br><br> <br> <br> <br> <br>-----Original Message-----<br> From: Garth G. Groff <<a href="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu" target="_blank">ggg9y@virginia.edu</a>><br> To: Archers <<a href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a>><br> Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:45 am<br> Subject: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins<br> <br> <br> <br>Noble friends of the bow,Lorelei<br><br>The question was raised in my recent TA Marshal class about the legality <br>of the 3Rivers large bodkins. These are very large, and look like they <br>might do a lot of damage to a target. Does anyone have any views on <br>these, vis-vis the Society rule against broadheads because of their <br>potential to rip up a target?<br><br>Kind regards,<br><br><br>Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Target Archery Marshal<br>_______________________________________________<br>Archers mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br><a href="http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org</a><br><br><br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Archers mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br><a href="http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org</a><br><br><br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/pipermail/archers-atlantia.sca.org/attachments/20110315/9f8d0f80/attachment.htm><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Archers mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br><a href="http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org</a><br><br><br>End of Archers Digest, Vol 90, Issue 8<br>**************************************<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>