[Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 93, Issue 30

Peter Darby pjdarby at verizon.net
Mon Jun 27 08:04:36 PDT 2011 

I have never seen anyone cock a crossbow while only dropping it about six inches below their aiming point. The speed this gives him was awesome.

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>   1. Time Warp Bolts - was: Re:  Archers Digest, Vol 93, Issue 28
>      (Siegfried)
>   2. Crossbows (John Atkins)
>   3. Re: Xbow Griefing (Jonathas)
>   4. Re: Crossbows (fenrisulven at comcast.net)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 22:17:20 -0400
>From: Siegfried <siegfried at crossbows.biz>
>To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
>Subject: [Archers] Time Warp Bolts - was: Re:  Archers Digest, Vol 93,
>	Issue 28
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>>     I again want to thank Miles for a fun shoot. I'm still in shock.
>>  
>>      Mors  
>
>I agree.  THANK YOU MILES!
>
>Also Mors, you have to teach me how you managed to warp time at that
>event, and loan me a few of those time warp bolts.
>
>Obviously my own perception was VERY focused during the final round.
>
>You see, here is how my perception saw the finals:
>
>................
>When I moved on to the quintain, I did not see it moving, I did not see
>any bolts in it.  As far as I could tell, you had not shot it yet.
>
>My heart skipped.  I was ahead (so I thought).  I fired and hit.  I had
>the range in.  I quickly loaded and fired again, I hit.  I heard what I
>THOUGHT was your 1st hit on the quintain.
>
>I was one bolt ahead.  As long as I didn't miss, I had this.
>
>I fired two more, roughly in time with your similar hits.  Each hit.  I
>was breathing hard.
>
>I knew what I had to do.  I spanned my crossbow, I grabbed my bolt, I
>stood up and was inches from slapping the bolt on my shelf.  I had my
>eye on the prize.  I saw the balloon.  then suddenly....
>
>The balloon was gone.  It had vanished!  In my mind, I froze.  It didn't
>register what had just happened.  It was thinking:  "What happened to
>the balloon?  Where did it go?  Did the wind blow it away?  I mean, I
>was just looking at it, what happened?"
>
>Then the realization set in as the cheering of the crowd came into my ears.
>
>And I realized, I had been beaten.
>..................
>
>So please, teach me the time-warp bolt trick.  For in talking to other
>people, they said that you were a half-shot ahead of me during the
>quintain the whole time.
>
>Either that, or you shot 4 bolts in the time I shot 3 :)
>
>heh
>
>Either way.  WELL SHOT MY FRIEND!
>
>I look forward to the amazing shoot that you plan for us next time.
>
>Siegfried
>
>PS.  Stupid Pendulum
>
>
>
>-- 
>Barun Siegfried Sebastian Faust - Barony of Highland Foorde - Atlantia
>http://hf.atlantia.sca.org/ - http://crossbows.biz/ - http://eliw.com/
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>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 08:34:01 -0400
>From: "John Atkins" <cogworks at triad.rr.com>
>To: <archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
>Subject: [Archers] Crossbows
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>Feeling that my friendly jab at Mors' winning with a crossbow may have
>started this discussion let me weigh in in a more serious manner.  My
>observation is that those who shoot crossbow well tend to be very
>serious archers.  As such they practice and practice a lot!  I don't
>shoot crossbow but have talked with many who do and learned that a
>crossbow is a tempermental weapon.  Crossbow folks tend to tinker with
>the weapon a great deal.  I have also seen more crossbows fail on the
>range than handbows.  And I fully subscribe to and correct anyone I hear
>who promotes the myth that they would/could shoot better if only they
>were using a crossbow.  Using a handbow, weapon of my choice, on
>occasion I have out shot crossbow shooters.  I believe the real
>"advantage" of a crossbow is the simple fact that typically the one
>shooting it is a very dedicated archer and spends the time to perfect
>the weapon, i.e. like tuning a handbow, and practices with the weapon.
> 
>Now there is a guy who shoots a crossbow at Pennsic that has a rifle
>stock and a front AND rear sight.  My hackles get up every time I see
>him on the range.  Last year the East kingdom DEM, they call him the
>Archer General, held the weapon up and made the point of telling all of
>us it was legal.  Not in Atlantia though.  But even with all the
>"advantages" this guy has on that weapon he is still lucky if he can hit
>the ground.  So while it severely irritates me that this modern device
>is permitted on the range I take solace in the truth that Siegfried with
>his "chunk of fire wood" can shoot circles around him along with many
>handbow archers.
> 
>So simply stated, the main advantage of a crossbow shooter, or any
>archer, is the degree of seriousness they devote to the activity.  If
>you only shoot once a week you are not going to be as good as someone
>who practices every day.  All that said, it is friendly banter and my
>perception of the SCA is that it is a hobby and it is supposed to be
>fun.  When it becomes serious, like work, I'll find other things to do
>with my recreational time and money.
> 
>THL Christophe of Grey
>Hard work spotlights the character of people.
>Some turn up their sleeves,
>Some turn up their noses,
>And some don't turn up at all.
>Sam Ewing
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>Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:22:35 -0400
>From: Jonathas <Jonathas at RedFoxDen.org>
>To: archers at atlantia.sca.org
>Subject: Re: [Archers] Xbow Griefing
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>Correct the longtime crossbow shooters are used to the ribbing. But their
>were two noted differences at Royal Archery this weekend; First, the
>comments were not the normal "stubby bow" and "short/broken arrow" but
>rather "cheater" which can be used in a joking manner but can also quickly
>cross into the realm of being meant/taken seriously.  Second, it wasn't from
>the usual crowd, of top level handbow to top level crossbow (which
>admittedly that repartee gets fun) but from the general populace to all
>levels of crossbow shooters.  I will freely admit that using a crossbow, it
>is much easier to move from Novice to Bowmen, however the climb from Bowmen
>to Grand Bowman, then to Grand Bowmen Elite takes the same level of
>dedication, practice, time, and skill with any longbow, recurve, or
>crossbow.
>
>I also heard several comments on the "balance" of the shoot, I chose to
>respond to Baroness Sorcha's email to the Storvik list only because it was
>on a public forum so would reach a wider audience and was not attempting to
>single her Excellency out in any way.  These balance comments probably stem
>from the fact that the semi finals were 100% crossbows, and not only
>undermine crossbow shooters, but also the overall fairness of the shoot.
>This I have a serious problem with as the shoot was wonderful and
>challenging but still left plenty for the novice archers to have fun with
>(which is the most important thing to balance).  Taking the top ten archers
>on the day, and you end up with 5 handbows and 5 crossbows.  Even taking the
>original top eight seeding (before any passes) and you have 4 handbows and 4
>crossbows.  This points to an incredibly well balanced shoot.  The finals
>are always anyone's game.
>
>Remove those bleepity-bleeping snakes (which also where the undoing of most
>of the crossbows) and I could easily believe the semi finals having three
>handbows and only one crossbow, as in each of the first rounds with a
>handbow, the handbow held a one or two arrow lead over the crossbow (hey,
>I'll admit it, I thought I was about to get bumped off at the beginning of
>the first round).  Last year the "tough" target were those candles
>(admittedly a crossbow friendly target) yet the handbows swept the semi
>finals.
>
>Ignoring the Outlands, where a Atlantia exported Earl Mika to (another GBE
>crossbow), Atlantia is the only kingdom where crossbows dominant the top
>rank.  For some reason we have a large population of exceptionally good
>crossbows, to go along with the huge pile of renowned handbows, and we have
>many who use both.  We could take every other archer on our lists and still
>have more archers, at every level, then most of the other kingdoms.
>Atlantia has a exceptional archery program which we should all be very proud
>of, regardless of the tool used to get the arrow down range.
>
>Jonathas
>
>
>On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Jay Nardone <jaynardone at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I can?t think of any of these folks that now shoot X-bows that were not
>> excellent shots with a hand bow prior. With that said, I don?t think any of
>> them don?t understand that the comments are just teasing. Having come from
>> the gun world and being a competitive shooter in both handguns and rifle, I
>> can say the X-bow is simply a tool to be used by the shooter just like a
>> hand bow. There are obvious things with a hand bow that cause precision to
>> be more complicated but it in no way diminishes the challenge of a X-Bow. As
>> said prior, it is the shooter not the bow that is making the difference. Any
>> of you that understand archery also understand that it is mainly a mental
>> game, and when we have our off days a golden bow will not help us any more
>> than our normal ones. After all this challenge showcased our top shooters in
>> the Kingdom and I was grateful to be part of it and see such a great
>> competition. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Janyn
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>Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:56:10 +0000 (UTC)
>From: fenrisulven at comcast.net
>To: John Atkins <cogworks at triad.rr.com>
>Cc: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
>Subject: Re: [Archers] Crossbows
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>"Feeling that my friendly jab at Mors' winning with a crossbow may have started this discussion" 
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>Nah it wasn't you.?It was?a local?Baronial?thread that Baron Jonathas caught - one of their leaders was trying to give the populace a sense of the challenge their handbow archers faced in the final eight, and while pumping up her shooter's accomplishments, she inadvertently minimized the skill level required of xbows at the tournament level.?She's a sweet lady and didn't intend?any insult, but comments like my own: ?"next year we'll get those pesky crossbows!" may have contributed to her misunderstanding. Thats what made me realize we may be?creating a "friendly fire" situation that could get out of hand. 
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>I think we're good.?And I still intend to give Gregge a little hell. Just not publicly.? :) 
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>Cheers 
>Fen 
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>Atlantian Archery. Nothing exists within 100 yards without?our permission.
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