[Archers] Pennsic

[Garth G. Groff]

M'lady Nuala,

Please accept my apology for any offense you feel. Absolutely none was 
intended, and be assured that I TRY to carefully craft all messages I 
send to avoid giving personal offense to anyone.

The term "grudge match" was an unfortunate choice of words, and was 
absolutely not intended to apply to you. I was thinking of a competitive 
grudge between kingdoms. I have never thought that you held a personal 
grudge against anyone.

Whether we could politically and logistically hold an all-populace 
novelty shoot at Pennsic is beyond me, and from what has developed on 
this thread, it looks like it would be extremely difficult. In my 
initial posting to you, I was expressing what I hoped we could do, and 
was willing to participate in making it happen. If it is too great a 
task to manage, especially for one person, I certainly accept that. I 
commend you for stepping forward to attempt what you have offered, and 
wouldn't want to see you crushed by trying to run a shoot that is too large.

With respect and kindness,


Lord Mungo

On 10/28/2010 9:49 PM, Holly Gibbons wrote:
> Dear Archer-Comrade Napier:
> I almost fainted at your posting. Please allow me to defend myself in 
> this court of opinion. I have no grudge against anyone, let alone the 
> hard-working MIC's at Pennsic. Perhaps you do not realize that I have 
> shot with the champions team for the last two years.
> I must reiterate again that what I am working for is a 
> kingdom/individual championship shoot that is outside the war and the 
> war points. I am completely inspired by the thrown weapons range at 
> Pennsic. We come together but once a year like this: with two weeks 
> and hundreds of acres at our disposal, it seems we could have a war 
> PLUS have a known world archery championship as well.
> Anyone who has actually designed and run one of those "famous 
> legendary Atlantain populace all-day archery shoots" can tell you that 
> it is a full-time job for months in advance and takes at least three 
> days to run. We, all of us together, cannot do this at Pennsic.
> I have given brief thought to the numbers. If you have 8 stations, 
> teams of four, and it takes a team 1.5 hours to shoot, and you want 
> the shooting to take no more than 4 hours so you can setup/takedown in 
> one day, you cannot manage more than 70 or so archers, tops. There is 
> just no feasible means of holding an open populace shoot at Pennsic, 
> in addition to the one already in place.
> My vision would be to have a novelty shoot as an adjunct to all the 
> other goings-on at the range, a shoot that would have 6 to 8 really 
> challenging targets, very difficult stuff, to allow Atlantia's finest 
> to show their stuff and have fun at Pennsic, since by convention and 
> tradition, for whatever probably very valid reasons, so many are not 
> in on the war champs team.
> It is really very simple, at heart. Please do not imply that I hold 
> grudges, or wish to work at cross-purposes to the Pennsic war and the 
> Archery War Point. I only hope to enrich the range and its offerings, 
> to the happiness and delight of Atlantia's finest archers. I cannot 
> bear to sit at Pennsic missing my archery-partners-in-crime who won't 
> spend their vacations there because they cannot enjoy their favorite game!
> Please believe me that I hold no prejudice or judgement against 
> beginning archers: I was recently one myself. But then, at that time, 
> I personally found more than enough challenge on the populace range 
> with the war points targets and with the odd novelty shoot for variety.
> Nuala of Needwood Forest
>
>
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> Original Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 07:19:23 -0400
> From: "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y at virginia.edu <mailto:ggg9y at virginia.edu>>
> To: Archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org 
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> Subject: Re: [Archers] Pennsic
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> M'lady Nuala,
>
> I can appreciate that you want a chance for our best archers to compete
> against the best from other kingdoms. With respect, do we just want to
> host a shoot for a small group of elite archers who have been snubbed by
> the system? This sounds like a grudge match, which is o.k. in its place,
> but benefits only a small group of people.
>
> Rather, I would like to see Atlantia offer a great shoot (even if it is
> modest in scope) to everybody to share the fun we have with as many
> people as possible, and with minimal elitism. A really well-crafted
> populace shoot would be a wonderful gift from Atlantia to all the
> archers at Pennsic. It could really show the other kingdoms what sort of
> archery program we run, and what sort of great people our archers are.
> To my mind, that's a far better shoot than a grudge match.
>
> I can appreciate that a general novelty shoot could be bigger than you,
> or even a group, can realistically do at Pennsic. That's why I suggest a
> modest size (like 8-10 really well crafted targets), which would allow
> more archers to run through the course in a day.
>
> Before we go any further with this proposal, it would be wise if we all
> agreed on what sort of tournament we want to present, and what we expect
> to get from it.
> Kind regards, and with great respect,
> Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir TA Marshal
>
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