[Archers] Trying to make some sense...

[deallac at juno.com]

Cog,

Well put. :)  I am just catching up with all of these postings, and, like
Lorelei, see that it has been mostly worked out.

As for 'my' opinion :).... It looks like the TA page 
(http://archery.atlantia.sca.org/index.php)  has great info, and
what is probably needed is for someone (Lorelei ?? :) ) to 
contact the keeper of the Kingdom Marshallate pages (not 
Baron Vlad, he only keeps the warrant info), and maybe just
ask that, rather than posting information on their pages, ask
that they link to our self maintained page.  I would like to 
believe that they shouldn't have a problem with that, as long
as the EM is kept in the loop about what/how we post, so 
that we don't conflict with anything at the Kingdom level.

YIS

Dealla
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "John Atkins" <cogworks at triad.rr.com>
To: "'Siegfried'" <siegfried at crossbows.biz>, "'Jay Nardone'" <jaynardone at comcast.net>
Cc: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [Archers] Trying to make some sense...
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:35:12 -0400

Siegfried,
Per you last comment below this is exactly what my response was to our
new range rule situation.  In my opinion the rule was a "knee jerk"
reaction to a potentially very dangerous situation that should never
have happened had the marshals in charge been diligent which, to me,
indicated that the issue was not a new rule but the training of our
marshals.  I got severely slapped down for this opinion but I still hold
it.  Again, MY OPINION, a marshal is deficient who allows a range to be
set without consideration of the overshoot area and who does not manage
their range in a safe manner.  Simply stated.  We would hope that all
our marshals follow these simple basics.  Unfortunately, as evidenced,
they do not.

cog

-----Original Message-----
From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of
Siegfried
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:35 PM
To: Jay Nardone
Cc: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [Archers] Trying to make some sense...


> Baron, then why don't we have a link to this "law" page and the rules?

The atlantian Target Archery page, which is under control of the DEM-TA,
does in fact exactly this.

Go here: http://archery.atlantia.sca.org/index.php

And you'll see a link to "Atlantian Target Archery Rules" which is
exactly a link to the Kingdom Policy Document.

>  Why
> does it seem to be a twist of some secret ring and a handshake to find

> them? I'm sorry if I sound condescending, not my intent but my 
> frustration obviously shows.

Understood.  The potential problem here, is one of 'preaching to the
choir'.  The Kingdom Marshallate pages are not under our control, only
that the DEM-TA can provide input about them.

Also, it's a volunteer organization, and often those who volunteer the
most, end up being the ones with the least amount of time to do things,
and often therefore things fall down.

If people have concerns about the 'up-to-date' ness of the Kingdom
Marshal pages, I would suggest writing the Kingdom Earl Marshal and
stating what you would like to see changed.

(At the same time, if you have web design/programming knowledge,
volunteering to help with it, is an easy way to help make sure it
happens)

>  As the torch is
> passed from DEM to DEM the information to our jobs should also be part

> of that passage, maybe Lorelei knows all of this already and I'm still

> a noob? I'll accept that, but I want to learn.

Not only should the torch be passed by DEM-TA to next, as I hope I
didn't fail too horribly at when I passed it on.

But more importantly, these are EXACTLY what should be taught in our
Marshal classes, not only for new marshals, but for the 2-year renewals
as well.

I make sure that every time I teach the marshal's class, (Unless a last
minute thing) that I have copies of Kingdom & SCA law that I hand out,
which have the URL's printed plainly on them, and I tell everyone where
to find said rules.

If that isn't happening at this point in time (which, it sounds like it
isn't, if you are a warranted marshal and yet don't know where to find
the rules) ... Then we, IMO, have a serious problem with our
training/classes that needs promptly addressed.

As knowing where to get/read the rules, is #1 importance, since so many
things fall from that.

Siegfried


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Barun Siegfried Sebastian Faust - Barony of Highland Foorde - Atlantia
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