[Archers] Fwd: I need your help

Mon Aug 23 11:32:14 PDT 2010

OK, having read through everyone else's ideas, let me add my own.

First off, having entered the atlatl field somewhat later than many of you, I don't recll the first round of suggestions, those being 120cm target, at 10, 20 and 30 yards.  Be that as it may I have some problems with 10 yards, only because it means one CANNOT practice atlatl alongside archers who start at 20 yards.  Not as much of an issue for Bright Hills atlatlists, since the Baltimore BOwmen has such a large range, but for those with less space, this could limit people's range time.

I would prefer to stick to 20, 30 and 40 yards so that we can run atlatl royal rounds at the same time as we run archery royal rounds.  I have a harder time hitting things up close with an atlatl.  The farther away they are, the more likely I am to hit them.

Now, I could definitely go with a 120cm target.  Yesterday, I spent 2 hours tossing darts at one of Seamus's large targets, probably 4x6', and I was hitting it a lot better than I hit a standard archery target.  That was at 20 yards.

Finally, 3 darts vs. 6 darts.  I don't know what standards you all are referring to.  But having seen how low current scores are, and how few people have submitted them, I honestly think we should go with 6 darts.  Three darts doesn't give me enough time to learn anything.  Six darts give one more time to adjust their throws enough to hopefully get some points during a round.

I've been throwing atlatl consisting at archery practice for most of the summer now, and I've yet to run a royal round because, well, I'd have no score to submit using the current rule of 3 darts/round at a 60cm target.

Since we ALL seem to have slightly different ideas and beliefs about this, maybe we should set up a testing system.  Let each of us with their own distance/dart # idea test it out, and see how they score.  Based on these scores, we could then decide what the best system would be, to make it challenging, but not completely discouraging.

Reyne

A true friend is someone who knows all your faults and habits, and loves you anyway.
Per chevron purpure and vert, two sheaves of arrows and a griffin argent

To: archers at atlantia.sca.org
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 08:58:03 -0400
From: loreleielkins at aol.com
Subject: [Archers] Fwd: I need your help

Forwarded for Enequy.(Goooh)

He brings up some points for discussion about atlatl.  Lady Reyne (robynbecker_AT_comcast.net) has proposed some rules for atlatl as well.  We've asked around the atlatl community and most people agree that we can go from three to six darts.  Thoughts?  Discussion?

Lorelei 

PS We will have atlatl at War of the Wings, but not on a separate range from archery. We will also have an atlatl prize shoot.  Right now, for some reason atlatl counts as part of the thrown weapons war point.

-----Original Message-----
From: enequy at comcast.net
To: loreleielkins at aol.com
Cc: archers at atlantia.sca.org
Sent: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 12:39 am
Subject: Re: [Archers] I need your help

I plan on being down there that WoW weekend and will assist for a little on the archery range. 

But also planning on splitting my time with Atlatl and thrown weapons

Speaking of the Atlatl - - who did you say was the person to chat with about the Atlatl rules?? And email address??

The reason for the Atlatl info is I would like to recommend some changes, especially since the rules have not been stabilized yet. Being the present highest scorer on the active Atlatl list with a measly 5.7 (the highest obtained is 14.7). That means no one has even reached the third rank (5 into second and 15 into third). This is highly frustrating for the person trying to make points. 

My first recommendation is to change the range from 20, 30, 40 and move to 10, 20, 30. Not worried about speed - but what does other people think on a timed round. From what I understand the mundane Atlatl ranges are complimentary to what I have recommended. If the range has multiple butts up the addition or movement for a 10 yard shoot will not be that much. And if the archers move forward or back to make the ranges  it still will not be that much. We all wait for each of us to finish our shoot first anyway. And the person shooting the Atlatl will have to wait for the timed and the 40 yard range to be shot also. 

I also recommend the use of six (6) atlatl darts at each range. And if a person only has three darts then throw three darts at a time and wait for the next round to shoot the next three. As long as six are shot at each range in sequence - either = 3at10, 3at10 and then move on or 6at 10 then move on. the 10, 20, 30 does not have to be thrown in that order as long as there are no 'practice' shots between. Basically the same rules there as archery. 

Maybe this way more people can get interested in the Atlatl. especially without being frustrated with the LOW point system presently in place. 

Enequy
(sometimes known as Goooh of the March people)

----- Original Message -----
From: loreleielkins at aol.com
To: archers at atlantia.sca.org
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 9:08:16 PM
Subject: [Archers] I need your help

Hi folks,

I'm sure you've noticed the posts about War of the Wings.  (www.warofthewings.com)  Its shaping up into a nice little war, and is now the largest event in the kingdom of Atlantia.  Its grown a bit too big for just a handful of marshals to run the archery range.  Last year we had well over 200 people come to shoot on the range over the 3 days it was open. 

Lady Katarzyna Witkowska and Lord Edward de Witt will act as Deputy Archery Marshals for the event but we are in sore need of more help.  There are kids on the range who need twice as many eyes watching them than adults, and the shear number of people there means that we need several line marshals at all times.  We also need marshals to help with inspections and help running the night shoot.

If you are coming to War of the Wings, please let me know if you can work for an hour or two on the archery range.  I'll have a sign up sheet and everything!  The tentative schedule is posted below.  If you have never been to War of the Wings, you are missing an amazing event and you need to fix that.

Thursday 8 to 12.  Range Set up
Thursday: Range opened from 1 to 5 for open shooting and Royal Rounds

Friday Range Opened 10 to 5
10:00 inspections
2:00 - 3:00 Beginning archery for kids 
3:00 - 4:00 Beginning Atlatl 
4:00 - 5:00 Atlatl prize fling!
7:30 - Susan G. Komen fundraiser night shoot 

Saturday Range Opened 8:30 - 5:00 (closed for procession)
11:30 Beginning Archery for Adults 
12:30 Kids Prize Shoot
1:30 Improving your Archery 
3:00 Adult Prize shoot

War Points can be shot all day Friday and Saturday (just once)

Sunday range take down

Sunday 10 - 12 Archery Marshals class

Thanks!  

Lorelei
MiC - Archery
War of the Wings

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