[Archers] Fwd: I need your help

Garth G. Groff ggg9y at virginia.edu
Mon Aug 23 06:50:36 PDT 2010 

Lord Siegfried,

If you have built targets like this, I bow to your experience and 
wisdom. We already use a double layer of pink or blue insulation, but 
the sheets are slid into a heavy slotted frame of 2X4s, with substantial 
feet at 90 degrees to the target face (I wouldn't want to try driving 
large legs or pegs into the verrrrry hard ground of our range). I think 
after several hits with darts, anything less substantial would fall over.

Kind regards,


Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Target Archery Marshal

Siegfried wrote:
> Lord Mungo, a very salient point.  I will add as followup to my last
> statement.  If Atlatl was to go to 120cm targets.   Stands for them are
> remarkably easy to create.  As that size is approx 4' ... A 4x8 sheet of
> pink insulation from Home Depot, cut in half and duct taped back
> together, makes a very effective 120cm target butt.   Just prop it up
> with some sticks/rods into/against the ground.
>
> Therefore making it rather easy to have a 'second target' just for Atlatl
>
> Siegfried
>
>
> On 8/23/10 9:28 AM, Garth G. Groff wrote:
>   
>> Lorelei, Enequy, and friends,
>>
>> No problems with the six darts idea, though Lord Christophe is right
>> about target construction.
>>
>> Right now, atlatls are welcome alongside archers at Isenfir's practice,
>> and occasionally we have a thrower. We have only a single fixed target
>> with moving shooting lines. Adding a 10-yard target for atlatls would
>> require an extra end, and would not be popular with the archers (they
>> need to shoot first, along with the cross bow folks to avoid the
>> possibility of breaking arrows). When I shoot with Caer Gelynniog, they
>> offer a second target for atlatls next to the archery target, but
>> Isenfir has only one. Enequy's idea of 10-20-30 would work fine with a
>> separate range, or with two targets (with the atlatl target set ten
>> yards closer), but a separate range defeats the direction Atlantian
>> marshals are expected to be moving with regards to atlatls.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>
>> Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Target Archery Marshal
>>
>> loreleielkins at aol.com wrote:
>>     
>>> Forwarded for Enequy.(Goooh)
>>>
>>> He brings up some points for discussion about atlatl.  Lady Reyne
>>> (robynbecker_AT_comcast.net <mailto:robynbecker_AT_comcast.net>) has
>>> proposed some rules for atlatl as well.  We've asked around the atlatl
>>> community and most people agree that we can go from three to six
>>> darts.  Thoughts?  Discussion?
>>>
>>> Lorelei
>>>
>>> PS We will have atlatl at War of the Wings, but not on a separate
>>> range from archery. We will also have an atlatl prize shoot.  Right
>>> now, for some reason atlatl counts as part of the thrown weapons war
>>> point.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: enequy at comcast.net
>>> To: loreleielkins at aol.com
>>> Cc: archers at atlantia.sca.org
>>> Sent: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 12:39 am
>>> Subject: Re: [Archers] I need your help
>>>
>>> I plan on being down there that WoW weekend and will assist for a
>>> little on the archery range.
>>>  
>>> But also planning on splitting my time with Atlatl and thrown weapons
>>>  
>>> Speaking of the Atlatl - - who did you say was the person to chat with
>>> about the Atlatl rules?? And email address??
>>>  
>>> The reason for the Atlatl info is I would like to recommend some
>>> changes, especially since the rules have not been stabilized yet.
>>> Being the present highest scorer on the active Atlatl list with a
>>> measly 5.7 (the highest obtained is 14.7). That means no one has even
>>> reached the third rank (5 into second and 15 into third). This is
>>> highly frustrating for the person trying to make points.
>>>  
>>> My first recommendation is to change the range from 20, 30, 40 and
>>> move to 10, 20, 30. Not worried about speed - but what does other
>>> people think on a timed round. From what I understand the mundane
>>> Atlatl ranges are complimentary to what I have recommended. If the
>>> range has multiple butts up the addition or movement for a 10 yard
>>> shoot will not be that much. And if the archers move forward or back
>>> to make the ranges  it still will not be that much. We all wait for
>>> each of us to finish our shoot first anyway. And the person shooting
>>> the Atlatl will have to wait for the timed and the 40 yard range to be
>>> shot also.
>>>  
>>> I also recommend the use of six (6) atlatl darts at each range. And if
>>> a person only has three darts then throw three darts at a time and
>>> wait for the next round to shoot the next three. As long as six are
>>> shot at each range in sequence - either = 3at10, 3at10 and then move
>>> on or 6at 10 then move on. the 10, 20, 30 does not have to be thrown
>>> in that order as long as there are no 'practice' shots between.
>>> Basically the same rules there as archery.
>>>  
>>> Maybe this way more people can get interested in the Atlatl.
>>> especially without being frustrated with the LOW point system
>>> presently in place.
>>>  
>>> Enequy
>>> (sometimes known as Goooh of the March people)
>>>  
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: loreleielkins at aol.com <mailto:loreleielkins at aol.com>
>>> To: archers at atlantia.sca.org <mailto:archers at atlantia.sca.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 9:08:16 PM
>>> Subject: [Archers] I need your help
>>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>  
>>> I'm sure you've noticed the posts about War of the Wings. 
>>> (www.warofthewings.com <http://www.warofthewings.com/>)  Its shaping
>>> up into a nice little war, and is now the largest event in the kingdom
>>> of Atlantia.  Its grown a bit too big for just a handful of marshals
>>> to run the archery range.  Last year we had well over 200 people come
>>> to shoot on the range over the 3 days it was open.
>>>  
>>> Lady Katarzyna Witkowska and Lord Edward de Witt will act as Deputy
>>> Archery Marshals for the event but we are in sore need of more help. 
>>> There are kids on the range who need twice as many eyes watching them
>>> than adults, and the shear number of people there means that we need
>>> several line marshals at all times.  We also need marshals to help
>>> with inspections and help running the night shoot.
>>>  
>>> If you are coming to War of the Wings, please let me know if you can
>>> work for an hour or two on the archery range.  I'll have a sign up
>>> sheet and everything!  The tentative schedule is posted below.  If you
>>> have never been to War of the Wings, you are missing an amazing event
>>> and you need to fix that.
>>>
>>> Thursday 8 to 12.  Range Set up
>>> Thursday: Range opened from 1 to 5 for open shooting and Royal Rounds
>>>  
>>> Friday Range Opened 10 to 5
>>> 10:00 inspections
>>> 2:00 - 3:00 Beginning archery for kids
>>> 3:00 - 4:00 Beginning Atlatl
>>> 4:00 - 5:00 Atlatl prize fling!
>>> 7:30 - Susan G. Komen fundraiser night shoot 
>>>  
>>> Saturday Range Opened 8:30 - 5:00 (closed for procession)
>>> 11:30 Beginning Archery for Adults
>>> 12:30 Kids Prize Shoot
>>> 1:30 Improving your Archery
>>> 3:00 Adult Prize shoot
>>>  
>>> War Points can be shot all day Friday and Saturday (just once)
>>>  
>>> Sunday range take down
>>>  
>>> Sunday 10 - 12 Archery Marshals class
>>>  
>>> Thanks! 
>>>  
>>> Lorelei
>>> MiC - Archery
>>> War of the Wings
>>>  
>>> Please cross post this to appropriate lists. 
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>
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