[Archers] Sponsored Shoot at Pennsic

Tue Dec 2 05:34:38 PST 2008

Wolfhou writes:

Teams being three archers, one modern bow, ie flat limb, one period hand bow, and one crossbow.
Do we have enough folks who shoot crossbows and period bows to complete enough teams?  I'm thinking that if there is a shortage of crossbowpersons, for example, they could make out like bandits!  Humm, a little bribe of mead.  LOL.

As for extra marshals running the shoots.  I suppose that would depend on how we set it up.  We probably have enough marshals that one could go with every group or two while they are shooting, as was the case at last year's KAC.  

Le

-----Original Message-----
From: Allen Miller <wolfhou at hotmail.co
To: John Atkins <cogworks at triad.rr.com>; Della Yew Bow and Marshal <deallac at juno.com>
Cc: Baron Jonathas <jonathas at redfoxden.org>; atlantina <archers at atlantia.sca.org>
Sent: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 8:13 am
Subject: Re: [Archers] Sponsored Shoot at Pennsic

I understood this as a competition between kingdoms, how the kingdom select their teams for shootring the first day is up to them, and the shoot then being open to any team that signs up the second day.  A concept that I liked very much. The shoot should be viewed as a challange and winning should mean something, but at the same time anyone who wishes to compete can come out and give it a try, and their effort should count, if their team meets the team criteria. On the other hand they can still shoot even if they cannot put togather a qualifing team. Teams being three arche
rs, one modern bow, ie flat limb, one period hand bow, and one crossbow. To be a period bow it must be shot of the hand and should have a "D" crosssection or provide documentation. Crossbows should meet Atlantian standards, no modern stocks.  

I also agree with limiting the number times an archer can shoot it.  The number of archers that we have at pennsic if we do not limit it we will either be running the shoot for days, and making specility targets that stand up to that will be tough, or many people will not get to shoot it. We are going to need multiple marshals to run this shoot and I for one do not want to spend the whole of war week running one shoot so we will need to limit it in some manner.

Jaut a few thoughts on this shoot. 

Allen

> From: cogworks at triad.rr.com
> To: deallac at juno.com; wolfhou at hotmail.com
> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:45:32 -0500
> CC: jonathas at redfoxden.org; archers at atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [Archers] Sponsored Shoot at Pennsic
> 
> First off I really like the idea that Atlantia is willing to lead the
> way in this effort. As for the shoot, Pennsic has the Masters Shoot for
> which many aspire to and are seriously bummed if they don't make a team.
> It IS the elitist shoot. I'm thinking this proposal was to create a
> populace shoot. Thus if we leave it to the archers to form three person
> teams then it would work. I would add but one caviot to the "leave it
> to them" suggestion. Limit the=2
0number of times each archer can be a
> member of a shooting team. Thus Joey Shootemstraight only gets to be a
> member of one team and thus shoot the challenge only once. That would
> prevent a sharp shooter like Seamus from being on every team (not that
> Seamus would do that!). 
> 
> If I may make one suggestion here and that would pertain to some shoots
> but perhaps not all. At SAAD one thing I tried very hard to do was
> create an atmosphere where every archer stood the chance to win. Thus
> one station, known only to me the MIC, was a qualifier station. Your
> score there determined which class you would be in. Of course your
> score at that station also entered into your overall score for the day.
> But it created the ability for novice archers to compete against novice
> archers while seasoned archers competed against seasoned archers. That
> way everyone stood a chance of winning something. I came upon this idea
> when I heard some archers once say at a shoot "Oh why bother, that
> person is here". I think everyone should have a chance to win. But
> like I said a multiple station shoot is required to make something like
> this work and that may not be the type of shoot others have in mind.
> Just something to think about.
> 
> cog
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> deallac at juno.com
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 5:03 PM
> To: wolfhou at hotmail.com
>
 Cc: jonathas at redfoxden.org; archers at atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [Archers] Sponsored Shoot at Pennsic
> 
> 
> Whoa, folks!
> 
> As Lorelei pointed out, this should be something for everyone, not
> another champions shoot. It sounds great, but not if it 
> gets elitest. The original suggestion was for something everyone could
> do, or so I interpreted it. Let's not limit it. Better a 
> first come, first entered for each kingdom (and that is only if you want
> to limit the main entrants to 1/kingdom). If a kingdom wants to build
> an uber-team and make arrangements within itself to be the first to sign
> up, then fine, but lets keep it open.
> 
> Dealla
> 
> -----------------------------------
> 
> Sounds like a great idea! Count me in any way you need me, as long as I
> get to shoot the thing at least once.
> 
> We could use diffiernt theme each year. There have been some terrific
> themed shoots in Atlantia over the years.
> 
> A hunt, a woods battle, there are several mythological themes that we
> could use, even dare I say it Greg's Lord of the Rings shoot.
> 
> As for the Atlantia team just have the Kingdom Champion select his team
> from the atlantian archers trying for the Champions team at Pennsic.
> Those are generally the better archers who are at pensic. If the Kingdom
> Chanpion is unavaliable let the Kindgom Archery Marshal select the team
> during the tryouts for the chanpions shoot. Those of us who do not get
> selected for the "A" tea
m can then form our own teams for the next day. 
> 
> Allen
> 
> 
> 
> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:35:52 -0500
> From: Jonathas at redfoxden.org
> To: archers at atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [Archers] Sponsored Shoot at Pennsic
> 
> Great questions all!
> 
> I would like to setup the shoot in a sustainable way, that is that it
> does not burn a single person out, and like wise at any moment if
> Mundane Life kidnaps any one person the shoot will continue to run with
> little interruption. So, I would propose a small group to manage the
> shoot, say three people from all ends of the kingdom so that one of them
> has seen each of the suggested targets, and can select which will be
> used, and which will be backups (in case someone can't show or a target
> falls apart or whatever), as well select the theme for the year. 
> 
> If we put it as Atlantia challenging all the other Kingdoms, then each
> Kingdom's "A" team should get first crack at the shoot (before the
> targets get too beat up), then yes the shoot would be opened to the
> entire known world. My thought was if the team wants to compete for the
> big prize, then it has to have one of each bow type. However to
> encourage all to come play, teams that don't met the bow requirements
> can still shoot. This would allow 3 random archers at the range to form
> a team and go shoot for fun. The goal would be to challenge the
> kingdoms, but not make it elitist like the Masters is.
> 

> Each kingdom could form its "A" team however it sees fit. For Atlantia,
> I would recommend the Kingdom Champion, then fill the other two bow
> types from the rest of the 8 finalists using the highest scoring in each
> type.
> 
> I also like the idea of having prize arrows for the winning team,
> besides just choosing the charity to receive the money.
> 
> My 2c,
> Jonathas
> 
> 
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