[Archers] Re: crossbows at university

[Ignacio]

Due to my infinite (or is it finite)  wisdom I appeared to have sent this
missive off 'reply' instead of 'reply to all'. So here it is resent and now
late.

So read down please.

Ignacio

H., V., K., & S.

Hey there Ignacio, first of all, thanks for the kind words ...

However, I noticed that they seemed phrased to be sent to a 'larger group',
and yet you only sent this to me ...

Siegfried


At 11:15 PM 3/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>As Kingdom Target Archery Marshal I have been quietly sitting on the
>sideboard listening to everything that came across the common marshals
list.
>I have not had to make any comment to anyone as being out of line in any
>way. At least from what I remember from this list.
>
>I congratulate Siegfried on getting all his homework together. You can tell
>he has put some time into this to pull all the facts together. And then
>presenting the information to the marshals list and the University people
in
>a clear and (in my impression) unbiased attitude. (To prove a point with
>facts is not biased, biased is the one-way attitude you take in doing so.)
>
>Sure Siegfried can be a pain at times, but it is a pain that I would like
to
>keep around and not get rid of. Because he does speak up and he usually has
>a lot of good points. The whole thread on the crossbow is one of them (even
>if I am not a crossbow person, in fact usually against them). And I don't
>ever remember Siegfried ever being disrespectful (sometimes hard to swallow
>but not disrespectful) to anyone on the lists.
>
>No matter how much we know or think we know there is always something more
>to increase your knowledge. (One of the reasons we have a University a few
>time a year.) And I will always listen to others (even Siegfried, :-) ),
and
>take what I can use out of that. And I think Siegfried was doing just that.
> From someone that has the knowledge of these kind of ruling and that not
>only effect what could happen to a University class but to his normal SCA
>and mundane life.
>
>Well it looks like I am rambling, which I usually don't do. So do your
>homework, listen constructively to the debates, coolly evaluate the facts
>that you can use, and work out issues.
>
>Ignacio Erensaurlezelasgarria, Menditarra
>
>Honor
>Honor<-->Valor
>Honor<-->Valor<--> Knowledge
>Honor<-->Valor<--> Knowledge<-->Service
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: archers-admin at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> >[mailto:archers-admin at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org]On Behalf Of Siegfried
> >Sebastian Faust
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:35 PM
> >To: chrissings at juno.com; aelfgar at juno.com;
> >Archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> >Cc: chrissings at juno.com; university at nc.rr.com; ASmith at psc.gov;
> >vlad3lochmere at comcast.net; elsworth at erols.com;
> >seneschal at atlantia.sca.org
> >Subject: Re: [Archers] Re: crossbows at university
> >
> >
> >Unto all assembled in this email, especially Baroness Arianna, and Lord
> >AElfgar ...
> >
> >I wish to briefly respond to a possible misconception ... evidenced in
the
> >following:
> >
> >>   To accept the man's hospitality (the guest thing)
> >>without abiding by his desires in this matter would be both discourteous
> >>and foolish - and there are no fools involved in the planning of this
> >>event.
> >
> >>  A phone call was made to the county police, who
> >>advised us that the discharge of a crossbow on county property was
> >>not permitted, save under very restricted circumstances that do not
> >>apply to us.  Even if this information is mistaken, getting into a
> >>dispute with the police over details of the law while on school grounds
> >>will not
> >>endear us to the school authorities, even if we turn out to be correct.
> >>Again, only a fool would embrace this course of action.
> >
> >>  Regardless of other opinions on this matter, it is
> >>the autocrat and planners of the event, and the Barony of Lochmere as a
> >>whole, who are responsible for the planning and execution of this
> >>event, and it is we who will be most affected by any problems that
occur.
> >>Therefore, it is incumbent upon us to do all that we can do prevent
> >>said problems.  Crossbows will be permitted in the classrooms for
> >>teaching purposes.  They will not be permitted on the range.
> >>Please make your plans with this in mind.
> >
> >These sentiments echo those in some rather juicier emails that I received
> >from others.
> >
> >At NO point in time did I ever mean to imply, nor did the thought ever
> >cross my mind, of bringing a crossbow against the wishes of autocrat,
> >Barony, school, or police, or to suggest to anyone else to do the same.
> >
> >Somehow, obviously, some of my comments got construed as such, based upon
> >the responses that I received in line with the above.
> >
> >I, a student of crossbows, was simply interested in any/all laws that
deal
> >with crossbows, in a wider setting.  Not just in reference to University.
> >
> >In fact, my original message was in response to the statement made to me
> >that: "In Anne Arundel County crossbows are considered firearms."  This
is
> >a serious statement to me, as stated before, as it would forbid me from
> >selling a crossbow to someone in Anne Arundel county, else I would be a
> >firearms dealer.
> >
> >I had heard these kind of statements made before, about the state, and
> >about certain counties, and I had years ago undergone a thorough check of
> >the rules/laws/code on this particular point, about crossbows being
> >considered firearms.
> >
> >For completely not university reasons, I was concerned about missing a
> >county in my search ... and I wanted to know what the laws were.
> >
> >I has now been stated not that crossbows are considered firearms, but
that
> >they are considered dangerous weapons.  Thats a 'good thing' for crossbow
> >makers/owners, and a 'good thing' for people to know.
> >
> >That was my only goal, was to know the laws ... and we now do.
> >
> >Again, I never meant to imply that I would break them, or to suggest that
> >anyone else should.
> >
> >In Service,
> >Siegfried
> >
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