Waivers (was Re: [Archers] New Archer Names)

Thu May 16 18:40:56 PDT 2002

At 12:33 AM 5/17/2002 +0000, Jim Bishop II wrote:
>   Second, I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause but our 
> illustrious Kingdom seneschal IS WRONG!!!  My Lady is an MoL and a mentor 
> for the MoL office. The policies that she has to follow have come down 
> from the KMoL and waivers at events need to be signed on the list field 
> as well as at troll.

I'm perfectly willing to accept when I'm wrong when I am, however I do not 
believe this would not be one of those cases. I personally checked with the 
KMoL and Wavier Secretary before I made that statement. The waivers signed 
at the list tent are for those participating in combat/martial activities. 
Target archery isn't (at least, it had better not be :-)      )

>This is for any non-member wishing to participate in any "martial activity."

I will agree it is for heavy, rapier, and combat archery.

Target archery, as I thought I stated in one of my earlier posts, is not a 
"martial activity", and as such is not included. (should you wish to go up 
to the MoL tent and hand them money because you're a target archer, feel 
free, but they'll be confused.

>I simply suggested that we should look into the possibility of having an 
>additional waiver signed at the MoL table at events. Is this so wrong that 
>I wish to have our proverbial behinds covered?  I know that this is not 
>the present practice nor ruling, it is merely a suggestion based on my opinion.
>
>  Kingdom Policy 4.4.1 ( in the Atlantian Book of Policy)
>
>    All gentles who wish to participate in combat activities in any 
> capacity (combatants, waterbearers, heralds, marshals, chiurgeons...) at 
> an event as defined in 4.3.1 must present proof of current waiver on file 
> with Corporate or pay a $1 fee and execute a waiver with the text adopted 
> by the Board of Directors.

Again, target archery is not a "combat activity" and as such is not covered 
by this policy. I have that very clearly directly from the KMoL. Waivers at 
practices are being driven by my (*sigh*) office, not hers. And policy for 
waivers at events have not changed to include target archery beyond the 
waiver signed at the gate,

Master Corwyn Sinister
Seneschal, Atlantia
(theoretically) warranted combat archer

>   This is just for clarifications sake!
>
>Lord Menua
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Lawrence Castell" <Lawrence.Castell at trw.com>
>>To: <catmajick at hotmail.com>,    <archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
>>Subject: Re: [Archers] New Archer Names
>>Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 06:37:49 -0400
>>
>>Waivers
>>I will re-post the paragraph from the email sent from the Atlantian 
>>Seneschal, Corwyn.
>>
>>First, at events, there have been no changes in archery policy that I know
>>of. The MoLs office is NOT handling waivers. There is NOT a $1 fee for
>>handling waivers at events, since you're not filling out an additional
>>waiver. No changes for SCA events. Zero, zilch, nada, zippo.
>>
>>At an event we, marshals on the archery field, are not handling waivers 
>>nor are we collecting any money. And until further notice that is the way 
>>it will be handled.
>>
>>
>>Names
>>So far by popular demand you can expect to see on the Royal Round list 
>>any name that anyone wishes to use. That name will stay there until, and 
>>if, they ever change it. If they only shoot one RR and never come back 
>>the name will always be there, wether it be Time Traveler, Conan the 
>>Invincible, Betty Boop, etc.
>>
>>
>>Ignacio
>>Honor, Valor, Knowledge, and Service
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >>> "Jim Bishop II" <catmajick at hotmail.com> 05/15/02 08:16PM >>>
>>
>>      While I agree with the concept that names are a matter of personal
>>preference and should not be discouraged. I also agree that there should be
>>directed in the appropriate direction.
>>The real issue that I am wanting to cover is the "Waiver Policy."
>>      While at events a waiver is signed at troll for non-members, there is
>>also another waiver needed to be signed at the MoL table and a $1 fee paid
>>for non-members.  The fee is not for Heavy fighters that don't have an
>>authorization card, the fee is for all non-members wishing to participate in
>>martial activities. Any need for authorization is in addition to this waiver
>>fee. All fighters need to be authorized in order to enter the list or even
>>fight in pick-ups at an event.  I have suggested before that maybe we should
>>have a list sign in at the MoL table and another waiver signed that is
>>specifically for the Archery activity. After all, it is a martial activity
>>with a relatively higher possibility of serious injury if an accident
>>happens (Heavens Forbid).  It is sort of a CYOA issue and helps encourage
>>those that wish to play seriously to take this game we love seriously.  If I
>>made any mistakes or misquotes please verify with the KMoL, but I am sure
>>that this is the case.
>>
>>Menua
>>
>>
>> >From: "Lawrence Castell" <Lawrence.Castell at trw.com>
>> >To: <archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
>> >Subject: [Archers] New Archer Names
>> >Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 12:06:47 -0400
>> >
>> >A couple of issues. I apologize for being 'removed' as of late but work has
>> >grabbed 90% of my time lately. My SCA 'to it' list just keeps getting
>> >bigger and longer with no light in the tunnel.
>> >
>> >Issue #1 (the easy one)
>> >When a new archer, and new to the SCA, attends one of our events or
>> >practices, and participates in a Royal Round or IKAC we should be careful
>> >of how we submit their names to the respective scorkeepers.
>> >
>> >In keeping within the format of the SCA naming policies - If the new archer
>> >gives a name that tends toward the fantasy realm we should be prepared to:
>> >1) talk to the archer and let them know that the name does not fit the
>> >normal SCA concepts.
>> >2) verify if they play with some other type of group and if that is their
>> >valid name.
>> >3) ask the archer if:
>> >     1) they could pick some other name, even if it is temporary, that is
>> >more appropriate for the SCA
>> >     2) the SCA name can be left blank until the archer can come up with an
>> >appropriate name. The SCA name can always be added later.
>> >This is also to inform Gregge not to approve names that are obviously or
>> >near fantasy until verification can be made with the submitting marshal on
>> >the validity of the name as a valid SCA type name. But at the same time let
>> >the scores be displayed with the archers mundane name. There is no reason
>> >to penalize the archer, by not displaying their scores, while a SCA name
>> >research is being conducted.
>> >
>> >Issue #2 (the dicey one)
>> >Waivers
>> >Thanks Corwyn for the quick response. And that clears things for me al
>> >little also. As I have not heard all the details yet and heard of the final
>> >result  I have been waiting for command decisions to change the present way
>> >we run things to roll down. And not just rumors.
>> >
>> >From what was stated - at events we do not need to worry about waivers as
>> >they are bring signed for at Troll.
>> >
>> >And from what I understand we WILL be using the same waivers at practices
>> >that is normally signed at Troll. They are for any adult or child that is
>> >not a SCA member. It would be the duty of the marshal in charge of a
>> >practice to ensure that all participants have a blue card or a waiver. For
>> >the blue card holders - suggest the marshal get the expiration date on all
>> >their local archers and that way they might not have to check every time.
>> >Listing of the archers name and expiration on the clipboard with the score
>> >page is a possible.
>> >
>> >The waiver forms can be found at http://mol.atlantia.sca.org/forms.html
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >From what I understand the $1 fee was for heavy fighters that did not have
>> >their authorization card on the field with them.
>> >
>> >Ignacio
>> >
>> >Honor, Valor, Knowledge, and Service
>> >
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>>Catmajick
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