I've always taken the blue and gold scarves as being similar to the various belt colors. One wearing a red belt is likely a squire... but it is not an SCA rule nor an official award. Anybody could, technically, wear a red belt and not be a squire. One might be looked at funny by knights and other squires... it might raise questions... but it's not 'against the SCA rules'. To be a squire, one must be taken as one by a knight... oaths are typically exchanged... and then the red belt has meaning.<br>
<br>The same holds true for blue and gold scarves. Anybody could, technically, wear a blue or gold scarf. You might be looked at funny by Academie members... but it's not 'against the SCA rules'.<br><br>Is that not so, Belphoebe?<br>
<br>YiS,<br><br>Aethilgar<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Belphoebe <<a href="mailto:belfebe@yahoo.com">belfebe@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi Takeda,<br>
<br>
Yes, it can be confusing. But we can straighten it<br>
out.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> Are blue scarfs regulated (per the Academie d'<br>
> Espee, for Scholars), or<br>
> is that just something any authorized fencer may<br>
> wear?<br>
<br>
</div>They are regulated by the Academie d'Espee. If you<br>
wear a blue scarf, that means that you belong to the<br>
guild.<br>
<br>
There are some of us that wear no scarf, and we are<br>
authorized rapier fighters. It is confusing because<br>
years ago, as soon as you got authorized, marshals<br>
would slap a blue scarf on you without any<br>
explanations.<br>
<br>
That has changed, and now people make an effort to<br>
explain newly authorized rapier fighters the<br>
implications of accepting a blue scarf, and there's<br>
even an oath that accompanies it.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> Gold(Yellow) scarfs are only worn by Free Scholars<br>
> named by the<br>
> regulations of the Academie d' Espee<br>
<br>
</div>Correct.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> White scarfs are worn by those granted the Award of<br>
> the White Scarf<br>
> (Kingdom Grant) and may call themselves a member of<br>
> the Order of the<br>
> White Scarf.<br>
<br>
</div>Correct. Actually, they *do* call themselve members<br>
of the Order of the White Scarf, as Atlantia is a<br>
signatary of the Inter-Kingdom Treaty of the White<br>
Scarf. It is the name of the award.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
If one is a member of the Academie d'<br>
> Espee (and duly<br>
> authorized by the Academie) one additionally may<br>
> title themself as<br>
> Provost of the Academie.<br>
<br>
</div>Correct.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> So if someone who had been awarded a white scarf<br>
> from say, AnTir came<br>
> to Atlantia, they would still be:<br>
> Lord SoandSo, Order of the White Scarf, but would<br>
> not have rank in the<br>
> Academie...<br>
<br>
</div>Correct.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> Thus theoretically there is the possibility that one<br>
> granted a white<br>
> scarf from another kingdom might wear a white scarf,<br>
> and another color<br>
> if they are members of the Academie but not yet be<br>
> acknowledged as a<br>
> Provost.<br>
<br>
</div>No. All other Kingdoms have a white scarf as the<br>
symbol of their Order of the White Scarf. Atlantia is<br>
the only one that has added a blue Spike and a blue<br>
stripe to its award.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> Anyone ever given any thought to putting something<br>
> easily identifiable<br>
> on the Acadeime scarves? Like a Blue and white<br>
> fringe... that way it<br>
> would be immediately apparent Academie status...<br>
> (for those<br>
> non-academie folks) And plus it is more spiffy<br>
> bling-bling :)<br>
<br>
</div>The Atlantian White Scarf already has the blue and<br>
white colors :-)<br>
<br>
Right now, it is not an issue. All members of the<br>
Order of the White scarf of Atlantia, except for one,<br>
are members of the Academie d'Espee. I don't think<br>
that it is much of an issue at this time, but it is an<br>
interesting point.<br>
<br>
Oh, and there are some other WS within Atlantia that<br>
are technically non-members of the Academie, and those<br>
are the ones that came from other Kingdoms and had<br>
already an out of Kingdom white scarf.<br>
<br>
Hope that this helps, and that doesn't add to the<br>
confusion.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Belphoebe<br>
Free Range Rapier Fighter<br>
</font><div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
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