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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>This is an interesting proposal and I am still very curious why
there is an emergency before us.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>From all the email traffic I have seen, it sounds like that the community
of fighters have raised funds to cover at least the month of January 2008 for
an indoor activities area. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>What if the community of fighters puts forward the donations for
the January term and then at the regular business meeting of the whole Barony, funds
can be allocated for the remainder of the winter season. Or am I missing
something from this dialogue so far?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Tirloch of Tallaght, OP, OL<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ponte-alto-bounces@atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:ponte-alto-bounces@atlantia.sca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>thrid@aol.com<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 24, 2007 10:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ponte-alto@atlantia.sca.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ponte Alto] Proper Procedures for Financial Commitments<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Excuse me, I incorrectly posted prior
to e-mail before completing it.<br>
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Your Excellency,<br>
<br>
As we have tried to lay out the proposal before, we are looking at 3
separate monthly contracts with the School. Each contract, for one
month's use of the site, would be committing members of the Barony to
$520. If after one month, the plan is a total failure, we can decide
not to renew it. I don't believe a commitment from the Barony of $520,
especially when a large potion of it will be coming from the individual
resources of its members is beyond the scope of the financial committee. <br>
<br>
>From what I can tell, based on the financial commitments of the three of
the people (including my self) who have posted there is already a minimum
of a $300 per month commitment to see the barony does not take a
lost. In addition, as I have previously state, If need be, I am willing
to deposit $920 into barony's funds to ensure the barony takes no
financial loss.<br>
<br>
I apologize for the frantic pace of this discussion. The fighters at our
practice have developed some momentum and do not look forward to the lack of
activity during the winter months. In addition, many of us at the
practice felt that obtaining the site might be a good opportunity for
others in the Barony to make use of it. <br>
<br>
The issues which have been raised against obtaining the site have been: <br>
<br>
1) The amount of financial to risk the Barony, which I have
repeatedly tried to show, is not very much.<br>
<br>
2) The fact this has not been raised at a Baronial meeting and run through the
normal channels. Clearly this would have been the preferred method of
handling this proposal. I apologize this has not been placed in front of the
barony through this method. The opportunity and the commitment from the
fighting community came after the last meeting and with no meeting
in December this was the only forum left to us. I believe
however, this forum does give members of the barony a chance for
thoughtful consideration and debate. With a one month financial
commitment from the barony being so little, I believe the financial
committee, with the general consent of the barony, has it within its power to
decide to help fund the project. What we are looking for is the general consent
of the barony.<br>
<br>
3) That the fighters "pledge" are not worth much to the barony
and the Barony it's self is taking all the risk. The first time this was
raised, the Max explained this was a real financial commitment on our part and
not some hollow words. The second time this concern was brought up I
found offensive to myself and to the fighting community in general.<br>
<br>
When I first propose this idea a few days ago, I was expecting the negative
comments to be: This plan would not work; there is not enough interest in
the Barony; and you will not get enough people willing to pay. For these
were my concerns. <br>
<br>
I am surprised and happy have not seen any of these comments made by the
members. In fact, my own concerns and doubts have been greatly
alleviated by the strong statements of both a personal and financial commitment
by members of this Barony.<br>
<br>
The Barony has a solid financial policy for which we all should be proud
of. We have always made our decisions, as a group, based on a sound
argument with a good debate. <br>
<br>
It is the fighters desire to place this before the barony for debate, at to
work within the framework of the barony's financial rules. It is our
belief that those financial rules do make room for a decision to be made
for a one month contract with Lemon Road Elementary school. It is our
belief that we have reduced the financial risk to the barony to an absolute
minimum.<br>
<br>
The fighters would have liked to have funded this directly with the
school; however, the SCA requires that funding for events and activities
go through Baronial channels. <br>
<br>
What we ask, is that through this forum, the Barony give discussion to the
merits of this proposal. And finally that the financial committee use the
merits and support (or lack of) for this proposal to decide as to whether it
will approve funding for this activity (most of which will come directly
from the fighters themselves). <br>
<br>
Thomas of Calais<br>
<br>
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<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Robert Capozello <afpopa@cox.net><br>
To: 'The Barony of Ponte Alto' <ponte-alto@atlantia.sca.org><br>
Sent: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 6:05 am<br>
Subject: [Ponte Alto] Proper Procedures for Financial Commitments<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>While We do think this is a very worthy idea, the
Barony has policies and procedures in place to deal with this sort of
situation (which our Baronial Exchequer has already explained). Trying to
force this through the Emergency Financial Committee is *not* the proper way to
do this. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>What you are seeking to do is akin to running an event - i.e.
expecting the Barony to be financially responsible for a obtaining a site, and
expecting to be reimbursed by collection of a "site fee". Your
original proposal would have the Barony aquiring a
financial liability of over $1,500. This is more than the
budget for most events we have run. Every event we run, from its
initial conception onward, has to be approved by the Barony, not just the
Emergency Financial Committee. Please do bring your proposal to the
Baronial business meeting so that it can be discussed and dealt with in the
proper forum.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Yours in Service,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Marcellus Capoziello da Napoli and Belphoebe de Givet</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Baron and Baroness of Ponte Alto</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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