<HTML><BODY STYLE="font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>I strongly agree with my Brother Hrothgar in this mater. Regardless of which way the device goes, bad puns and insulting references will follow, ecspecialy since this mater has been so strongly talked about. Small minds will stick to small details that facinate them. I will join with my Brother in advising these small minds not to bring up this series of puns,regardless of wheather the device stays the same or changes back. (Which I favor.) I am sure that my Brothers and Sister of St. Aiden would join me in this special quest of Heraldic re-education to all within our Kingdom.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As our Principle has said, no problem cannot be solved by the loving application of a ball pean hammer.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>mungoe</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From:</B> Thorgrimm@aol.com</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 02, 2002 7:56 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> atlantia@atlantia.sca.org</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [MR] Re: Queen's Arms</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT size=2>In a message dated 4/2/02 8:25:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, bethoc@peoplepc.com writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE="CITE">and only those who are truly crude will continue <BR>telling the story. <BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 face=Arial color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR> And there, my friends, we come to the major twist in this labyrinthine tale. Regardless of the decisions made by well meaning people, there will always be those classless, immature individuals who feel compelled to seek the lowest road possible and cast cow chips at all things bright and beautiful. <BR> There have been Queens with whom I have not gotten along. There have been Queens whom have put forth policies and actions which I thought were incredibly stupid, self-serving, and damaging to the Kingdom. I have served Queens to the point of exhaustion, both physical and mental. Through it all, regardless of the lady beneath the Crown, I have given my respect and service. <BR> I have never heard anyone make a disrespectful remark about a Queen regarding the arms. Any who do so within my presence are going to visited by great discomfort. In all of the years before Niobe's quest to change the arms, I had only heard it mentioned once. It was said then as a silly heraldic joke, and I can assure you that disrespect for the Queen was not intended nor was it taken as such. <BR> I support a return to our historical Queen's arms. And I would remind everyone that stupid jokes, bad puns, and slanderous remarks are only given validity if we allow it to happen. This Society is supposed to be based on honor, chivalry, and respect. If that is not what you desire, then perhaps you should look elsewhere for recreation. <BR><BR>For Atlantia and Her Queens. <BR>Hrothgar <BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>