[From nobody Fri May 16 08:52:00 2014 Return-Path: <atlantia-admin@atlantia.sca.org> Received: from rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (rly-yg02.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.2]) by air-yg02.mail.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINYG210-0201113457; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 11:34:57 -0500 Received: from seahorse.atlantia.sca.org ([199.170.3.4]) by rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYG28-0201113434; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 11:34:34 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (IDENT:mailman@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by seahorse.atlantia.sca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22165; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:36:57 -0500 Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by seahorse.atlantia.sca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22109 for <atlantia@atlantia.sca.org>; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:29:21 -0500 From: Thorgrimm@aol.com Received: from Thorgrimm@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id o.dc.1278a2cc (25512) for <atlantia@atlantia.sca.org>; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:55:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <dc.1278a2cc.298c066e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [MR] Curiosity To: atlantia@atlantia.sca.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_dc.1278a2cc.298c066e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: atlantia-admin@atlantia.sca.org Errors-To: atlantia-admin@atlantia.sca.org X-BeenThere: atlantia@atlantia.sca.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0rc1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:atlantia-request@atlantia.sca.org?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:atlantia@atlantia.sca.org> List-Subscribe: <http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/mailman/listinfo/atlantia>, <mailto:atlantia-request@atlantia.sca.org?subject=subscribe> List-Id: The Merry Rose Tavern at Cheapside <atlantia.atlantia.sca.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/mailman/listinfo/atlantia>, <mailto:atlantia-request@atlantia.sca.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/pipermail/atlantia/> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:55:42 EST --part1_dc.1278a2cc.298c066e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/1/02 12:39:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, mungoe1@msn.com writes: > How can the BoD make rules and descisions stick in other countries/states? > > For instance I know that the laws pertaining to minors participating in > contact sports and martial arts with adults are way differant here in > Virginia, N. Carolina, and S. Carolina then in California. Janine, our > resident lawyer, looked into that very heavy. However it appears we are > being held to California's laws pertaining to "Boffer" fighting and minor > authorization. Why can't each Kingdom go with the laws within their own > state, and or country? Even if we screw up and break a law in Virginia, we > would not be prosicuted or have a lawsuit brought against the Society under > California law, but Virginia. > > Also what about other countries? If this Count had been Banished in say > Drakenvald, how would the BoD have enforced it if the Kingdom desided to go > it's own way, and let him play under a "dispensation"? > > You have to keep in mind that the SCA is ultimately a corporate entity. They operate throughout the country by the laws of the state in which they are incorporated. Groups outside of the United States are actually affiliates of the SCA and are ultimately not legally bonded to them. Canada, a good chunk of the West Kingdom, and Drachenwald are pretty much autonomous. The power that the BoD has is that they legally ARE the SCA in regard to forming policy and administering to its members. Their greatest weapon is the fact that the corporate entity, embodied by the BoD, owns everything that has SCA on it. The money in your local group's account, the loaner armor and supplies purchased with SCA funds, and anything that has been donated to your local groups are all, legally speaking, owned by the board. If you don't play the game the way they want you to they can step in and banish everyone, take all the toys and go home. I'm not certain, but I believe that all names and titles that our members have and hold are "owned" by the SCA. If we split off and formed a new group we could not legally keep using them. If someone is R&D'd and they come to an event anyway, the BoD could, and probably would, do the same to the autocrat, troll, and any local group officers who were even peripherally involved. That seems like an awfully large amount of power for a small group of people with only themselves to answer to. Hrothgar --part1_dc.1278a2cc.298c066e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 2/1/02 12:39:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, mungoe1@msn.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>How can the BoD make rules and descisions stick in other countries/states? <BR> <BR>For instance I know that the laws pertaining to minors participating in contact sports and martial arts with adults are way differant here in Virginia, N. Carolina, and S. Carolina then in California. Janine, our resident lawyer, looked into that very heavy. However it appears we are being held to California's laws pertaining to "Boffer" fighting and minor authorization. Why can't each Kingdom go with the laws within their own state, and or country? Even if we screw up and break a law in Virginia, we would not be prosicuted or have a lawsuit brought against the Society under California law, but Virginia. <BR> <BR>Also what about other countries? If this Count had been Banished in say Drakenvald, how would the BoD have enforced it if the Kingdom desided to go it's own way, and let him play under a "dispensation"? <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> <BR>   You have to keep in mind that the SCA is ultimately a corporate entity. They operate throughout the country by the laws of the state in which they are incorporated. Groups outside of the United States are actually affiliates of the SCA and are ultimately not legally bonded to them. Canada, a good chunk of the West Kingdom, and Drachenwald are pretty much autonomous. <BR>    The power that the BoD has is that they legally ARE the SCA in regard to forming policy and administering to its members. Their greatest weapon is the fact that the corporate entity, embodied by the BoD, owns everything that has SCA on it. The money in your local group's account, the loaner armor and supplies purchased with SCA funds, and anything that has been donated to your local groups are all, legally speaking, owned by the board. If you don't play the game the way they want you to they can step in and banish everyone, take all the toys and go home. <BR>    I'm not certain, but I believe that all names and titles that our members have and hold are "owned" by the SCA. If we split off and formed a new group we could not legally keep using them. <BR>    If someone is R&D'd and they come to an event anyway, the BoD could, and probably would, do the same to the autocrat, troll, and any local group officers who were even peripherally involved. <BR>    That seems like an awfully large amount of power for a small group of people with only themselves to answer to. <BR> <BR>Hrothgar</FONT></HTML> --part1_dc.1278a2cc.298c066e_boundary-- ]