<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Greetings Atlantia, my comments are marked with the dual bracket ']]'
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<BR>In a message dated 9/19/2001 5:44:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t_neill@hotmail.com writes:
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">>I have been told by two knights that the "manatee" was
<BR>>chosen to honor Sir Kane (that was his barnyard
<BR>>animal). I don't know that this interpretation is
<BR>>true or not..</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">]]Not sure of the reasoning for selecting the Order Name, but it is true that the Manatee was chosen as Count Kane's "Totem Animal."
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<BR>That could be true. It is *not* registered as an heraldic title to Atlantia
<BR>in the OandA I just checked. http://www.wgz.org/heraldry/OandA</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">]]And not to slight Count Kane's memory, but Triton is not inclined to attempt to register Manatee as a heraldic title.
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<BR>Three of the six names seem to be related directly to existing Heraldic
<BR>Titles in Atlantia. (See ** below)</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">]]Actually, it's four. You missed Conch.
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<BR>Just for Jollies, here are all the heraldic titles registered to Atlantia in
<BR>that Oand A. Pursuivants are titles for group heralds (Sea Castle
<BR>Pursuivant is the title for Caer Mear, for example) and Heralds are Triton
<BR>or Laurel staff titles.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">]]I have noted those heraldic titles that have been reserved for the use of individual Heralds that I know of and removed from the list those titles that were released.
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Albatross Pursuivant
<BR>*Argent Snail Herald</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">]]Argent Snail is the Personal Title for Mistress Jaelle of Armida, transferred to her Dec '99.
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">*Azure Decrescent Herald</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">]]Azure Decrescent is the Personal Title for Mistress Rhiannon ui Neill.
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">*Blue Crab Herald</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">]]Blue Crab is to be the Personal Title for Lady Alanna of Volchevo Lesa upon her retirement from the office of Golden Dolphin Herald.
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Boreas Pursuivant
<BR>*Bright Leaf Herald
<BR>*Conch Herald
<BR>Dolmen Pursuivant
<BR>Drakkar Pursuivant
<BR>Finsterwald Pursuivant
<BR>Golden Dolphin Herald
<BR>Gordian Pursuivant
<BR>Gordian Knot Pursuivant
<BR>Goshawk Pursuivant
<BR>Hippocampus Herald
<BR>**Ibis Herald
<BR>Kraken Pursuivant</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">]]Kraken is a Herald, on Triton's Staff.
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Marlow Pursuivant Extraordinary (Via Laurel)
<BR>Morse Pursuivant (Via Laurel)</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">]]Morse is a Herald and the Personal Title for Dominus Herveus d'Ormonde
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">*Morwch Rudd Herald
<BR>Most Pursuivant
<BR>**Narwhal Herald
<BR>**Nereid Herald
<BR>Northern March Pursuivant
<BR>*Owen Herald
<BR>*Partan Herald
<BR>Pearl Herald
<BR>*Rastrillo Herald</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">]]Rastrillo is to be the Personal Title for Lady Isabella Benalcazar upon her retirement from the office of Sea Urchin Herald.
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Sable Trident Pursuivant (Via Laurel)
<BR>*Sackbut Herald</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">]]Sackbut is to be the Personal Title for Lord Evan da Collaureo upon his retirement from the office of Kraken Herald.
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Sea Castle Pursuivant
<BR>Sea Stag Herald
<BR>Sea Urchin Herald
<BR>Silver Osprey Pursuivant
<BR>*Triton Herald
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<BR>If we wanted other Order or Award titles, we could go with any of the ones
<BR>marked with a single asterisk (*) above. The order of the Sackbut, anyone?
<BR>For excellence in music, maybe?</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">]]I would recommend against registering Order Names based on the Personal Titles. Bonus points for any who can match the other titles with the group or individual it is intended for.
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
<BR>I also note that we don't have a Yew Bow Herald, an Undine Herald, a Silver
<BR>Needle Herald, a Silver Nautilus Herald, a Nonpariel Herald, a Keepers of
<BR>the Dream Herald (We have an order named thus, but I've not seen it in Red
<BR>Tape--is it closed, like the Silver Needle?) A Herring Herald (That is a
<BR>neat award--I wish it was given more often!) a Fountain Herald (What's the
<BR>Order of the Fountain?)</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">For the sake of information, here are all the currently registered Order Names in Atlantia. Heraldic cross titles are marked with '+.'
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<BR>Academie d'Espee (Closed with the acceptance of the White Scarf Treaty, all members of this Order were inducted into the Order of the White Scarf 4/20/96, registered October '93 via Atlantia)
<BR>Fountain (? no reference in the OP, registered April '82 via Laurel)
<BR>+Golden Dolphin (for excellence in service, registered April '81 via Atlantia)
<BR>Herring (for extraordinary achievement as an autocrat, registered April '81 via Laurel)
<BR>+Hippocampus (for the excellence in service and leadership of older children, registered April '98 via Atlantia)
<BR>Keepers of the Dream (? no reference on the OP, registered April '81 via Laurel)
<BR>+Kraken (for excellence in the martial arts, registered April '96 via Atlantia)
<BR>Nonpareil (for personifying what it is to be an Atlantian, this award may only be given once per reign, registered May '94 via Atlantia)
<BR>+Pearl (for teaching and excellence in the arts & sciences, registered April '81 via Laurel)
<BR>Princess' Award of Courtesy (now called the Queen's Order of Courtesy, for courtesy as designated by the Queen, registered April '82 via Laurel)
<BR>+Sea Stag (for excellence in teaching the martial arts, registered April '81 via Laurel)
<BR>+Sea Urchin (for the excellence in service of younger children, registered March '82 via Atlantia)
<BR>Silver Nautilus (as recognition of skill in the arts & sciences, registered April '96 via Atlantia)
<BR>Silver Needle (for costuming - Closed, registered March '82 via Atlantia)
<BR>Undine (for excellence in service to the Queen, registered April '81 via Laurel)
<BR>Yew Bow (for excellence in archery, registered March '94 via Atlantia)
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<BR>]]Note: the Shark's Tooth is not registered, the King's Award of Excellence is probably too generic to register, and Saint Aiden was submitted for registration at Atlantian 20 Year Celebration.
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
<BR>Not that Triton needs that many staff!!</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">]]Probably not, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to prepare for the future.
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
<BR>--By the way, there was talk of an Atlantian seal for Triton to place on
<BR>official scrolls. We've got one registered: "(Tinctureless) Two cartouches
<BR>conjoined in fess, the dexter surmounting the sinister at the edge, on the
<BR>dexter cartouche two trumpets in saltire, bells in chief, on the sinister
<BR>cartouche a triton's trumpet shell palewise, in chief the word 'ATLANTIA'
<BR>and in base the letters 'COH.'"</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">]]Actually, that's the seal for the Atlantian College of Heralds. I could probably use it to validate my 'Verum Est' on scrolls or for private letters I need to send. And before anyone offers, I've already got a very lovely brass signet ring.
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<BR>- Anarra
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<BR>Dona Nobis Pachem</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR>Lord Michael Batcok
<BR>Triton Principal Herald</FONT></HTML>