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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=650232919-31082001>There
are times when knowing the judges can be very important, 1) so you can figure
out if the person/persons judging your piece has any expertise in the area
(there have been times when an iron working laurel has been asked to judge
calligraphy); 2) it is also helpful so you can get a more detailed response
(one time I entered a piece that I had done and one that my oldest daughter had
done - she was home with the chickenpox, the laurel saw me put the piece on the
table and then saw the handwriting on the form was mine and didn't check to see
that it had someone else's name. The response was scathing, they tore the
piece apart and left a note that this person shouldn't be doing this bad of work
and then entering the other piece. They also marked down the other
piece. I had the names of the judges and went to them afterward and ask
how they could mark down the first attempt of a hat by a seven year old and
leave such terrible comments for her. The judges looked surprised and the
decision was reversed and the comments that came home were encouraging
instead). 3) when you know the judge, if the comment has been not enough
documentation you can approach that judge to find out what they were looking for
or to show them some extra docs you may have brought but not put
out.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=650232919-31082001>These
are important points to consider but that is not my main gripe with A&S
competitions. In looking at the current A&S schedules I find that they
are very restrictive and what I have been working on does not fit in to
any of the categories. This is an ongoing problem, I found that Pennsic
was one of three events I could have entered since May. This does not make
me want to go to an event. Themes for A&S are fine, but not every
event, it feels like you are pushing people away that do other
things.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=650232919-31082001>Annejke</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
atlantia-admin@atlantia.sca.org [mailto:atlantia-admin@atlantia.sca.org]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>L Shuskey<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 31, 2001 11:05
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Merry Rose<BR><B>Subject:</B> Fwd: Re: [MR] A&S
Questions<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT color=darkmagenta>I, for one, like Gorm's idea (below). I
haven't run into any dishonest judges, but I also know that judges are human
and the potential exists. 'Course tomorrow I'll only be making my third
entry ever (she says, gnawing fingernails already).</FONT> <FONT
color=#8b008b></FONT>
<P><FONT color=#8b008b>I also like the idea that the entrants should know a
little about the judges, and perhaps have opportunity to talk with them
afterwards. I'll take the recommendations of a judge much more seriously
if I know he or she knows something about that type of project, and not be so
crushed by the comments if I know the judge is less familiar with that type of
work</FONT><FONT color=#8b008b>. I entered a project for a friend
recently, and the two comments she received were "not enough documentation"
and "excellent documentation." Left her not knowing what to do next
time.</FONT> <FONT color=#8b008b></FONT>
<P><FONT color=#8b008b>Elize</FONT>
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<P> <B><I>Alan MacNeill <gormofberra@msn.com></I></B> wrote:
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<DIV>There is a solution for gaining the benefits of anonymous judging
while still maintaining a large degree of ability to individually discuss
with the entrants constructive critiques that I have seen used in another
hobby of mine.</DIV>
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<DIV>A given entry is identified by number for the judges, who do their
grading against the numbers. Then, when they turn in their
scoresheets, they are given (or shown, if only one copy is available) the
key that says what numbers go to what person, and are encouraged to
discuss their critiques with that person. Generally, the entrants
are requested to be at the display for an hour or so right after the
judging concludes to enable this critiquing.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This retains the impartiality of anonymous judging, while still
allowing for the critique. It is a bit more work than the "open"
judging, or pure blind judging, but not all that much, really.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Gorm of Berra</DIV>
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<P><EM>Argent, a pale purpure cotised vert between two sprigs of lavender
proper.</EM></P>
<P>"Just because something doesn't do what you planned it to do doesn't mean
it's useless."</P>
<P>- Thomas Alva Edison</P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>
<P><EM>Argent, a pale purpure cotised vert between two sprigs of lavender
proper.</EM></P>
<P>"Just because something doesn't do what you planned it to do doesn't mean
it's useless."</P>
<P>- Thomas Alva Edison</P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>