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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I was there, and it is my understanding from the investigation done on site that the authorities felt the heater may have been damaged. It was said that it did not appear that the gas had been turned one and there was not sign that it the heater had ever been lit. It was thought at the time (further investigation continues) that these poor gentles were the victim of a leak of some sort. This is a terrible tragedy and I hope that this will make us all a bit more careful in the future. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Princess Mary-Grace</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Eric J. Campbell [<A HREF="mailto:ejcampbe@unity.ncsu.edu">mailto:ejcampbe@unity.ncsu.edu</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 2:46 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: Aedan Aylwyn</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Cc: Atlantian List</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: Re: [MR] Fwd: Two deaths at Estrella from tent space-heater</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>asphyxiation]</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Just curious. What type of propane heater was it. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>I use a catlytic heater from coleman that is "supposed" to be safe. I</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>don't trust it so I turn it off after a few minutes and my tent is warmed</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>up. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>I am investigating the option of buying a hotvent</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2><A HREF="http://www.zodi.com/2000/files/hotvent/hotvent.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.zodi.com/2000/files/hotvent/hotvent.html</A> which looks like the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>safest way to heat your tent if used properly.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Thanks </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>-Xavier</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Aedan Aylwyn wrote:</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>> Sad greetings all,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> I hate to be the spreader of bad news, but... This came to me in a round</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> about way from the SCA Chirurgeon's list. Evidently 2 gentles attending</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Estrella War passed away this last weekend, after putting a propane</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> heater inside their tent in an effort to keep warm.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> While I know that we tend not to have camping events when the temperatures</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> get that low, it is still a possibility. I'd hate for one of us to make the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> same fatal mistake.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Sadly,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Aedan</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >2/18/01 Ariz. Republic B2</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >2001 WL 8516868</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >The Arizona Republic</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >Copyright 2001 Phoenix Newspapers, Inc.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >Sunday, February 18, 2001</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >CARBON MONOXIDE SUSPECTED IN 2 DEATHS</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > Two campers died Saturday, the victims of possible carbon-</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >monoxide poisoning, after they were found in full cardiac arrest</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >inside their tent in the southeast Valley.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > The unidentified pair, a 35-year-old man and a 27-year-old woman,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >were pronounced dead at Valley Lutheran Hospital in Mesa, said Jeff</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >Stocker, a spokesman for Rural/Metro Corp.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > The victims were among a group of campers attending an event at</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >Schnepf Farms, near Rittenhouse and Combs roads, a popular</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >entertainment and concert site, Stocker said. Authorities were called</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >after a friend checked the tent to find out why they hadn't gotten</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >up.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > Stocker said a propane heater was found inside the tent. The Pinal</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >County Sheriff's Office was investigating whether the deaths may be</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >linked to the heater.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > The bodies were taken to the Maricopa County Medical Examiner's</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >Office, where autopsies were pending.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > >From the Chi list:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > Sad news from Estrella.......</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > Before anyone hears the rumors, I have just learned that, tragically,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > there</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > were two deaths at Estrella. This morning a man and a woman were</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > found dead</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > in their mundane ten as the result of a propane heater asphyxiation.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > I have</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > it on good authority that they were not Meridians, but were local to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > Atenveldt. There was a moment of silence held in their honor during</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > the war,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > and our hearts go out to their families.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > >>Greetings to All Good and Noble Members of the SCA,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > >>If you have not yet heard, two of our gentle cousins needlessly died at</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >Estrella 2001. They tried to keep warm by putting their propane heater</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >inside their mundane tent and were asphyxiated by the fumes.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >While we cannot inspect everyone's tents at wars, we hope that you will take</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >this opportunity to review the common sense rules for your household's</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >encampment, and discuss whether or not something is safe. If you have any</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >questions, please contact your Kingdom's Chirurgeon. They should be able to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >help or find a source for answers.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >Let our cousins' deaths alert us to the real-life dangers from simple</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> >appliances which we take for granted...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ----------</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Baron Aedan Aylwyn, Provost Caer Mear, Atlantia</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Email: aedan@mindspring.com Royal Bad Influence - Retired</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Academie d'Espee: <A HREF="http://www.mindspring.com/~aedan" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mindspring.com/~aedan</A></FONT>
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