[MR] THL vs. Lord/Lady: Some info from your friendly Court Education Herald!

[Kelly Keck]

Thanks very much for the informative post! I had to chuckle at the
reference to Billy Bob of the Drunken Hills (hopefully, he'll get an AoA
for brewing here shortly and eliminate confusion ;) )

YIS,
Lady Adriana Michaels


On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Niccolina Mann <niccolina_mann at yahoo.com>wrote:

> I posted this on the Atlantian FB page, so I am sorry for the cross post.
>  I just wanted to share the information, especially since we have a large
> amount of new people joining us!
>
> (initial post)
> Attention all court heraldry types! It has been asked that we spread the
> message. When you are in court, PLEASE do not use "The Honorable Lord/Lady"
> when calling someone up. This is not period, and not accepted officially as
> a title by the SCA. It is used, UNOFFICIALLY, to differentiate between
> those who have a Grant of Arms versus an Award of Arms, and no other title.
> With this being said, they are still only "Lord/Lady".
>
> Also, when calling up someone who has no title (ie: no Award of Arms),
> they are NOT "m'lord/m'lady". This is a generic term of politeness, and not
> an official title. When you are calling up Billy Bob of the Drunken Hills,
> that is all he is... not m'lord Billy Bob of the Drunken Hills.
>
>
> (second post)
> I wanted to share some more information, since I have had people ask me
> about this. I did some digging, because while it is a shame that we cannot
> differentiate between the two levels of Arms, people had questions about
> this. First of all, I would like to borrow a comment from Mistress Alisoun
> MacCoul, " Never say "just a Lady" --- being a lady is one of the best
> things that can be said about you." Those of you who have earned your GoA
> did so with great love for this Kingdom (or the kingdom you earned it
> in  ). This also goes for the Lords who have their GoA.
>
> Second, when I posted this on a baronial group, someone mentioned awards
> that were grant level from Ansteorra, and that they do allow THL as a
> title. I searched their websites, and found two things. A) the place their
> GoAs before visiting GoAs and all AoAs. This is typical. Secondly, for
> their grant level awards (such as The Order of the Iris of Merit), they
> state, "The Standard Terms of Address are used for the members of this
> Order." Well, what are those standard terms?
>
> You can find them here: http://heraldry.sca.org/titles.html . According
> to the SCA, all AoAs and GoAs have the title of Lord/Lady; "Basic title for
> persons who hold Arms by Award or Grant." As far as it is known, in western
> Europe, during our time period, there was not a title that was just above
> Lord or Lady. This is why, despite the higher weight of the GoA versus an
> AoA, we do not have an official SCA title difference.
>
> I hope that this was helpful, and explained why I posted originally. If
> you have any questions, please ask!
>
>
> Signora Niccolina the Wanderer, Hippocampus (Court Education) Pursuivant
> Herald at Large
>
>
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> unbidden it will stir. Open it's jaws and howl. It speaks to us, guides us.
> Passion rules us all. And we obey. What other choice do we have? Passion is
> the source of our finest moments. the joy of love, the clarity of hatred,
> and the ecstasy of grief. It hurts sometimes more than we can bear. If we
> could live without passion, maybe we'd know some kind of peace. But we
> would be hollow. Empty rooms, shuttered and dank. Without passion, we'd
> truly be dead.
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