Wow, the Rose is just filled with knowledgable gentles! Might I ask then, for some assistance with my motto? Could someone translate "When push comes to shove, shove hard"? With many thanks in advance, Lady Mahaut de la Mare Chirurgeon, Brockore Abbey MoAS, Brockore Abbey "Ermine, a coney courant gules and on a chief sable, three crescents argent"