[MR] "far north" vs was Re: Fall Coronation

John Gahrmann twosword at hotmail.com
Tue May 24 06:32:18 PDT 2011 

Why does everyone address this as a problem "from far up north" as being a burden? Having lived in the "far Down South" for over 10 years, it can be just as long a drive from remote regions anywhere in the kingdom. This is no special burden to be releived from one that is not placed on another. Central just means it is equally painful to all but those in the center. There is no perfect solution and any solution will require compromises. We simply need to decide which factors are important and what compromises are acceptable.  The current process leaves many compromises and is obviously not serving our best interest. 
 
Atlantia is blessed with many great event planners and feast cooks. Giving them all a fair chance at contributing to kingdom events should be an important consideration. My concern over any single site is not that it will lead to 'cookie cutter" events although that is a possibility. But that it will lead to burnout of the groups closest and thier volunteers. 
 
Having NOT ONE but several sites in various regions , oh say, 2 in each region , northern central and southern allows for variety, a reasonable transit time for folks sometimes but not always and competing but differing bids. These can be pre-approved kingdom event sites. If we have to pre-reserve then it goes in a fixed rotation. We have done a rotation for kingdom events before. in this case the site is preselected. Alternate bids allowed if they cover the loss of pre-reserving the other site. If you want kingdom events local get a site on the appoved list and put in a bid. I understand that this takes away some of the royal perogative in choosing thier coronation and crown sites, but it does not eliminate the choice of a prefered site it mearly means they should have at least 1 solid bid which is better than none, I am sure the crown and coronets would prefer to have multiple options but would also be relieved not to have to ask repeatedly just to get a single bid. 
 
One of the concerns I have heard is attendance at Kingdom events is low. Having stability in the process shoulld encourage better planned events and as a result we could see an increase in attendance. Obviously if I know fall coronation is going to be in Maryland 6 months in advance it is easier to plan and budget for that trip than if I hear 4-6 weeks in advance. 
 
I hope we can move forward to find a solution that serves the populous and the crown and that our kingdom is the better for the discussion and the solution.
 
Johann Von Rothenburg

John Gahrmann Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away.- George Carlin


 
> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 05:42:06 -0700
> From: bmcellis at yahoo.com
> To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [MR] using the same site 2 was Re: Fall Coronation
> 
> 
> Forcing someone from up north to learn where that is or find a deputy that knows discourages not encourages.
> 
> Rebecca
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 5/24/11, Logan <Logan at ebonwoulfe.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Logan <Logan at ebonwoulfe.com>
> > Subject: Re: [MR] using the same site 2 was Re: Fall Coronation
> > To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> > Date: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 7:26 AM
> > that the good thing about betsy jeff
> > penns kitchen.  you dont need to haul
> > "stuff".  it really is very well stocked.
> > 
> > as for the food suppliers, the sysco / bjs / costco / sams
> > there are pretty
> > much the same as the ones in dc or charleston (ive been to
> > both).
> > 
> > regards
> > logan
> > 
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> > they thought it was
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> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> > [mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org]
> > On Behalf Of Becky
> > McEllistrem
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 6:50 AM
> > To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> > Subject: Re: [MR] using the same site 2 was Re: Fall
> > Coronation
> > 
> > I also note that doesn't mean you know all about local food
> > suppliers and
> > local logistics.
> > 
> > 
> > Rebecca
> > 
> > --- On Tue, 5/24/11, Becky McEllistrem <bmcellis at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Becky McEllistrem <bmcellis at yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: [MR] using the same site was Re:  Fall
> > Coronation
> > > To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> > > Date: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 6:45 AM
> > > not necessarily.  We've used
> > > Betsy Jeff Penn for lots of kingdom level events in
> > the past couple 
> > > years and lots of baronial events.
> > > 
> > > Does that mean northern cooks are familiar with the
> > kitchen?  No.
> > > 
> > > They're familiar with how to get there and have an
> > idea of what is 
> > > there but that doesn't mean the event staff that
> > travels there is 
> > > familiar with facilities and inner workings of the
> > site.
> > > 
> > > It means they came and traveled to have fun and relax
> > at an event for 
> > > once instead of work.  Some people ARE willing to be
> > head cook at site 
> > > unknown.  That doesn't mean it's right to assume that
> > everybody is.
> > > 
> > > I also note there is a huge difference in gas bill
> > between traveling 
> > > with yourself and traveling while hauling tons of
> > stuff.  While 
> > > Windmasters has an outstanding inventory (I've donated
> > a bunch of it 
> > > myself so I know) that doesn't mean we would have
> > everything needed.  
> > > So in a bad economy not only is a permanent site
> > asking people from up 
> > > north to travel, it's asking them to travel hauling
> > tons of stuff 
> > > increasing their gas bill exponentially just because
> > they wanted to 
> > > serve their kingdom.
> > > 
> > > Seems like punishing people who want to serve.
> > > 
> > > Rebecca
> > > 
> > > --- On Tue, 5/24/11, atlantia at corwyn.net
> > <atlantia at corwyn.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > From: atlantia at corwyn.net
> > > <atlantia at corwyn.net>
> > > > Subject: Re: [MR] Fall Coronation
> > > > To: "Gerita della Mara" <geritadellamara at gmail.com>,
> > > atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> > > > Date: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 12:22 AM If we kept
> > using the same 
> > > > site(s), over time everyone _would_ already be
> > familiar with
> > > it. If
> > > > you wanted to run an event there, you would
> > likely
> > > have
> > > > already been to some previous kingdom event at
> > the
> > > same
> > > > site.
> > > > 
> > > > Corwyn
> > > > 
> > > > At 09:49 PM 5/23/2011, Gerita della Mara wrote:
> > > > > Possibly true, but I'll tell you...you'll
> > never
> > > get
> > > > someone from Far North Atlantia to be willing to
> > > autocrat at
> > > > an already-set site in North Carolina (or vice
> > versa) without having 
> > > > spent considerable time on said
> > > site.
> > > > It's just not reasonable to expect someone to
> > plan and
> > > staff
> > > > an event at a site they have no idea what to
> > expect
> > > from,
> > > > and don't have to take a week off work to go and
> > look
> > > over.
> > > > 
> > > > 
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