[MR] opinion on peerage...

[Logan]

i do not know of an example in atlantia in which "the entire order has says
no" and the induction to an order, on any level, has ever happened.  ive
heard tales of this in other kingdoms but have no way of confirming that.  i
do know of some order inductions in atlantia that seemed to have had little
support from the order in the past.  my advice has always been that you and
i dont sign the check, the crown does.  we simply have to honor that check.
if we do not respect the fact that he/she is now a knight/laurel/golden
dolphin/etc we disrespect the entire order.  punishing an entire body of
folks because our personal opinion is in disagreement with the crowns will
is unfair.

but, it is solely the opinion of the crown as only the crown has the
authority to induct.  that opinion can, and should, be effected by the
opinion of the 20% of order members that actually share their opinion during
pollings (a sad but true fact).  but it is still simply the opinion of the
crown that matters.  any monarchs that ive spoken to have a "magic number"
or percentage of support they require before putting pen to paper.  i do.
in other words no matter how i feel about a candidate, good or bad, unless
they have X% i will not induct them even if i feel very supportive of that
person.  there have also been folks that i did not care for that passed that
threshold that i inducted because of the advice the order gave me.  others
have, and will, do it their own way.  sca orders are creations of the sca as
are our crowns.  is it perfect?  of course not, but it does work very well

regards
logan

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-----Original Message-----
From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Becky
McEllistrem
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 8:59 AM
To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [MR] opinion on peerage...

Can we say "solely the opinion of the Crown"?

If the entire order says no and the Crown says yes does that mean the member
is inducted?  I can't believe that approach doesn't have repercussions - ie
going against the will of the order.

I would believe that the Crown has a veto but I don't think we can say any
polling order is solely the opinion of the Crown.  That's why the polling
process is in place.

Rebecca

--- On Mon, 5/2/11, Logan <Logan at ebonwoulfe.com> wrote:

> From: Logan <Logan at ebonwoulfe.com>
> Subject: Re: [MR] opinion on peerage...
> To: "'Merry Rose'" <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> Date: Monday, May 2, 2011, 8:01 AM
> since our awards are solely based on
> the opinion of the crown the view that it is a political appointment 
> is correct.  that can be viewed as a negative certainly.  however, i 
> have faith in the process and the way most monarchs handle the 
> responsibility and duty of properly recognizing those who are worthy.  
> sure, the feeling of nepotism exists at times.  some monarchs seem to 
> hand out awards/peerages at alarming rates.  but thats my opinion.
> others may feel that some monarchs are far too demanding.  is either 
> right?
> that all depends on who you ask.  since there is not a checklist of 
> defined requirements it becomes the choice of each monarch to define 
> what is required.  corpora sets the base requirements but thats all.  
> its not a perfect system but it is our system.
> 
> i dont speak for my brother who made the comment to you but i feel 
> that the comment is, at its base, correct.
> 
> regards
> logan
> 
> "I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought 
> it was hell."
> Harry S Truman
> "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his 
> vengeance need not be feared"
> Niccolo Machiavelli
> For your SCA combat needs please visit:
> www.ebonwoulfe.com/armory.htm
> 
> www.ebonwoulfe.com
> 
> For worldwide listings of fighter practices please visit:
> www.fighterpractice.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org]
> On Behalf Of Alexandria
> Stratton
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 6:52 AM
> To: Merry Rose
> Subject: [MR] opinion on peerage...
> 
> This weekend, I was told by a Knight of Atlantia that "Peerage is a 
> political appointment."
> I realize that I am stubbornly idealistic, but have we reached the 
> point in our Game that recognition for a job well done is no longer 
> based purely on merit?
> What are your thoughts? 
>  -- Isabelle LaFar
> http://www.HouseBarra.com
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