[MR] People banned RE: Atlantia Digest, Vol 101, Issue 96
Rick Allison
threeallisons at hotmail.com
Thu Jun 30 07:31:42 PDT 2011
Thanks for all the responses.
I too have some experience with both adults and youth with these issues.
I suggest we creat a contact list of individuals with some training, desire and experience to assist these types of gentles into the SCA.
Perhaps a loose guild with an updated contact list to be used for reference by these folks or their sponsors/care givers/parents when they travel to different groups and events?
I will gladly stand as the first to be part of this, but must humbly admit maintianing a list or contact roll is not my forte or talent.
Inservice
Laird Seanne Alansyn, squire to Sur Raym Y Hyndyll
Rich Allison
threeallisons at hotmail.com
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> 1. Re: People banned from SCA events (David Chessler)
> 2. Re: herald question (Gise)
> 3. Re: Enameling workshop (David Wendelken)
> 4. Death of Henry II of France (Garth Groff)
> 5. Panther Pavilion for sale (cheryl merritt)
> 6. Re: People banned from SCA events (Gerita della Mara)
> 7. Re: People banned from SCA events (Gina Shelley)
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> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 04:41:05 -0400
> From: "David Chessler" <chessler at usa.net>
> To: Stefan li Rous <StefanliRous at austin.rr.com>, Atlantia maillist
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> Subject: Re: [MR] People banned from SCA events
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> Received: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 11:03:06 PM EDT
> From: Stefan li Rous <StefanliRous at austin.rr.com>
> To: Atlantia maillist <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> Subject: Re: [MR] People banned from SCA events
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> > JR commented:
> > <<< So this canton member I was referring to was rediagnosed as not
> > having the 3 problems he was receiving medicine for. It turns out he has
> > Asperger syndrome instead, and the other medicines he was receiving were
> > only making things worst. Now that he is no longer over medicated, and
> > we know what he is dealing with, this canton member is on his way to
> > becoming an archer. >>>
> >
> > I'm not sure what Asperger syndrome is, but here is a message posted
> > on another list, but not yet in the Florilegium disabilities-msg file,
> > that seems to support what JR is saying.
>
> Aspergers is a relatively new diagnosis for what seems to the layman to be a
> milder version of autism. The victim has difficulty responding to emotions or
> to other people, and so has difficulty communicating. I suspect that "special
> education" teachers would be effective at dealing with the situation, but I
> think (but don't know) that none of the teachers who regularly attend the
> Storvik fighter practices have more than basic training in special education.
>
> I was witness to some (by no means all) of the discussions at the Storvik
> practice. What I overheard was that the person was told that he was very
> unlikely to become authorized in any of the forms of combat, which means he
> would not be allowed on a list field. As for attending practices, I BELIEVE he
> was told that he would not be allowed to practice. We had a similar situation
> in Storvik a couple of years ago, in which the knight marshall prohibited the
> person from touching the heavy weapons. He did practice rapier a few times
> with the Deputy Knight Marshall, but not with any of our other rapierists.
>
> Recall that few of us are trained in psychology or psychiatry. If a person
> behaves "abnormally," most of us have no idea of how to handle the situation.
> If we have a feeling that the person is "unstable," or, for any reason unsafe,
> or just unable to play our "game" by the rules, then we have few alternatives
> to asking the person not to come. In the instance a couple of years ago, we
> heard that the person had previously been asked to leave Markland, and also
> Dagorhir.
> http://www.dagorhir.com/
> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Dagorhir
>
> http://www.markland.org/
> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Markland_Medieval_Mercenary_Militia
> http://www.longshipco.org/
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> As I understand the situation below, "Liam"'s mother has been active, and has
> helped the rest of the Canton deal with Liam's issues. As I understand the
> situation above, the patient is the only person who has been in direct contact
> with the Barony, and it has become apparent, to some people at least, that the
> patient is not a reliable judge of his own needs and situation.
>
> --
>
> YIS
>
> Davitt il Bigollo da Pisa
> Erudit de l'Academie de Espee de Atlantia
> Storvik (rapier)
> Roxbury Mill (other things)
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> >
> > ==================
> > To: SCA Newcomers list <scanewcomers at yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: Children
> > Posted by: "christopher chastain" ckchastain at hotmail.com draqq0nis
> > Date: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:59 am ((PDT))
> >
> > <<< As I said before I am a single mom to a very imaginative ADHD five
> > year old boy. When I attend events it will be alone with Richard (my
> > son) in tow. Any advice?
> >
> > Angie >>>
> >
> > As far as children and the SCA go let me tell you about my son Liam,
> > he has ADHD and Aspbergers. Everyone in our shire knows Liam and his
> > issues and so do most folks at the kingdom level. He has been accepted
> > with open arms, issues and all. The group I'm with has the philosophy
> > of it takes a village and is something we cherish and do everything we
> > can, not to abuse.
> >
> > Yours in Humble Service,
> > Pomestnik Dmitrii Ivanov
> > ====================
> >
> > Stefan
> >
> > --------
> > THLord Stefan li Rous Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra
> > Mark S. Harris Austin, Texas
> StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
> > **** See Stefan's Florilegium files at: http://www.florilegium.org ****
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 06:44:07 -0400
> From: Gise <scribe0002 at aol.com>
> To: kyrilex at yahoo.com, atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [MR] herald question
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> Isabel,
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> The information we gave you pertains only to Atlantia. Trimaris' fees will likely be different. Each kingdom has its own forms & fees. Your friend needs to fill out Trimarian forms which he can find at http://www.trimaris.org/herald-lymphad
>
> An e-mail to Meistari Haakon Bjornsson Lymphad Herald at lymphad at trimaris.org will direct him to the correct local herald and tell him how much the submission will cost. Haakon is a good guy and doesn't bite or anything ... well ... ok ... but not hard. Well ... ok ... but only if you ask nicely ...
>
> Good luck and safe travels to him ...
>
> ~gise
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexandria Stratton <kyrilex at yahoo.com>
> To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Sent: Wed, Jun 29, 2011 11:13 pm
> Subject: Re: [MR] herald question
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> Thank you for all the responses.
>
> I like to think I'm pretty good with a search engine but could not find the info
>
>
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> to save my life. Now my friend can be better prepared when he delivers his
>
> submission to a local herald (he just moved to Trimaris & doesn't know who's who
>
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> yet). Knowing ahead of time how much things will cost really helps those who
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> have to pinch pennies and plan ahead for every luxury.
>
> -- Isabelle LaFar
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> Experience is what you get, when things go awry.
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> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 07:27:06 -0400
> From: "David Wendelken" <david_wendelken at nc.rr.com>
> To: <atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
> Subject: Re: [MR] Enameling workshop
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> Andras said:
> << I'll be teaching a beginner's enameling workshop at my home on
> <<Saturday, 30-July, from 10am (prompt) until 5pm.
>
>
> >Will you be doing faux enameling or the real thing?, which I think
> >is baking real minerals onto metal?
>
> The real thing.
>
> >If you will have a handout for this event, or be willing to write a
> >how-to article, I'd love to have either one for the CRAFTS section in
> >the Florilegium, for those of us who would find this workshop a long
> >walk. :-)
>
> I will have some hand outs prepared, and I will have a how-to done article
> done sometime this summer, possibly by then.
>
> Honestly, I won't remember to send it to you. :(
>
> When done, it will be posted to www.MedievalArtisan.Info/Art. I have a
> fairly large annotated bibliography on clay, metal and glass crafts already
> posted there and this will be the first of many how-to articles that I will
> be writing for it.
>
> Andras
>
> PS - for those who want to attend, contact me directly, not via this list,
> or I might not see your request.
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 07:50:54 -0400
> From: Garth Groff <ggg9y at virginia.edu>
> To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org, isenfir at virginia.edu
> Subject: [MR] Death of Henry II of France
> Message-ID: <4E0C631E.80104 at virginia.edu>
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> Noble friends,
>
> Today is the anniversary of the accidental wounding and subsequent death
> of Henry II of France in 1559. He was speared through the eye by a
> fragment of broken lance while jousting against Gabriel de Lorges, Comte
> de Montgomery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel,_comte_de_Montgomery
> and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_II_of_France . Henry II finally
> died ten agonizing days later, after absolving Montgomery of any
> wrong-doing.
>
> I find Montgomery a fascinating figure. For one thing, he was commander
> of Henry's /*Garde ?cossaise*/ or Scots Guards, who were among the
> French kings' most trusted servants. By this time, the Guarde was no
> longer commanded by Scots, though sons of Scottish nobles and burgesses
> were still rotating through service there to polish their diplomatic
> credentials and their French.
>
> Aren't y'all glad we have such strong safety rules for our combat sports?
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
> Lord Mungo Napier, That Crazy Scot
>
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> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 08:09:53 -0400 (EDT)
> From: cheryl merritt <cmerritt923 at aol.com>
> To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: [MR] Panther Pavilion for sale
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> YIS, Alessandra
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> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 08:52:25 -0400
> From: Gerita della Mara <geritadellamara at gmail.com>
> To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [MR] People banned from SCA events
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> Asperger's Syndrome is, if you will, the left edge of what is now known
> as the Autism Spectrum. Severe Autism is clear over on the right edge
> of the same spectrum. The Spectrum was designed in the last 10 years to
> be a better descriptor of the truly awesome variation in people with
> this 'set' of conditions.
>
> People with Asperger's Syndrome (very generally) have difficulty with
> social situations. They often miss 'cues' that average folks take for
> granted. They are unlikely to be able to carry on a conversation in the
> 'take turns talking' sense, and don't read 'body language' well. They
> don't deal with change well, and often seem un-empathetic (empathy being
> the ability to understand the feelings of others). They may have a very
> formal speech style, and either stare at others, or refuse to make eye
> contact. They can become almost obsessed with one interest, often to the
> complete exclusion of others. This is where they 'talk your ear off'
> about the minutiae of John Deere tractors, for example, and can't be
> distracted onto another topic. As kids, their motor development is
> slow, so even as an adult, someone with Asperger's Syndrome can seem
> clumsy. They can develop "odd" likes and dislikes. I had a student
> who would eat only PBJ sandwiches; tuna went in a little dish, not on
> bread, for example. They can be extremely sensitive to sound and other
> sensory stimulation, and when over-stimulated can become suddenly
> enraged (the clear answer to this is to remove them to a very quiet area
> to gather themselves).
>
> This is a GENERAL description, and takes up fully half that spectrum I
> mentioned above. Some folks who seem just a bit eccentric (3/4 of the
> SCA?) may well be at the very left edge!
>
> So, how do you deal with someone like this? Speak clearly and
> directly. No sarcasm, no PC-speak, no beating-about-the-bush. Jokes
> often fall flat, so don't bother. Give instructions the same way,
> better yet both in written (bullets or list, limit the prose) and verbal
> form. Assume you'll need to give instructions on
> everything...literally...in the SCA, and some things you think 'they
> should know'. They don't.
>
> Stefan, if you want articles on "disabilities" please contact me and
> I'll help write them. Handicapped people were my career until I joined
> their community in 2004.
>
> Gerita
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 13:19:29 +0000
> From: Gina Shelley <paintedwheel at hotmail.com>
> To: <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> Subject: Re: [MR] People banned from SCA events
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> I sincerely believe we (the SCA) have more than our fair share of people on the Autistic spectrum. It kind of surprises people to find out that one can be "On the Autistic spectrum" without being what you think of as Autistic. Aspergers is definitely in that spectrum. Dyscalculics and Dyslexics are also, interestingly, considered to be on the Autistic spectrum. It's a big umbrella term for a wide variety of issues.
>
> Dulcy
> the suspiciously flakey Chronicler who will never, ever, ever be your Exchequer. ;-)
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